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Date:      Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:44:24 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Jan Beich <jbeich@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r339563 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/joy sys/modules sys/modules/joy sys/sys tools/kerneldoc/subsys
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:30 PM Jan Beich <jbeich@freebsd.org> wrote:

> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:42 AM Jan Beich <jbeich@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Warner Losh <imp@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > Author: imp
> >> > Date: Mon Oct 22 02:34:00 2018
> >> > New Revision: 339563
> >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/339563
> >> >
> >> > Log:
> >> >   Remove joy(4) driver.
> >> >
> >> >   This driver was marked as gone in 12. We're at 13 now. Remove it.
> >> >   Data from nycbug's dmesg cache shows only one potential user,
> >> >   suggesting it never was used much.
> >> >
> >> >   RelNotes: yes
> >> >   Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D17629
> >>
> >> Breaking userland API but not bothering with an exp-run or bumping
> >> __FreeBSD_version.
> >> Is the following the pointy hat you were looking for?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/graphics-freeglut-fails-to-build-sys-joystick-h-not-found.68002/
> >
> >
> > Your tone is not acceptable. Please try again, only this time with the
> > required level of professionalism. I'm not an idiot, and you will treat
> me
> > with respect.
>
> Apologies for the snide remark. I've expected someone with ports/ commit
> bit
> to be a bit more careful.
>

To be honest, I've never been burned before. It has been a learning lession.


> > This driver was flagged for removal in 12 ages ago and the port failed to
> > update to take that deprecation into account.
>
> Not sure what "ages ago" refers to when not even 1 year passed since
> r328523.
> Neither joy(4) manpage mentioned deprecation nor
> __attribute__((deprecated))
> was used. Maintainers of consumers aren't necessarily joy(4) users.
>

But only joy(4) generates events and supports things described here. And
joy(4) hasn't been relevant in this century. I thought this was totally
safe. And I've not ever used / seen __attribute__((deprecated)).  I will
have to start using it.


> Was joy(4) deprecation announced on the public mailing lists? For some
> reason,
> I can't easily find it in the archives.
>

I thought I had, but I'm not seeing it in my archives.


> > You can use the bump to 1300000 as the version to fix it. I didn't bump
> the
> > revision because it wasn't needed.
>
> poudriere won't force rebuild everything if __FreeBSD_version doesn't
> change.
>

Right. OK. I was not aware of that.


> Expect silence from pkg-fallout@ until the next bump.
>

There was one earlier today.


>
> http://www.ipv6proxy.net/go.php?u=http://beefy12.nyi.freebsd.org/data/latest-per-pkg/sdl/1.2.15_12,2/head-amd64-default.log
>
> http://www.ipv6proxy.net/go.php?u=http://beefy12.nyi.freebsd.org/data/latest-per-pkg/plib/1.8.5_7/head-amd64-default.log
>
> vs.
>
>
> http://beefy8.nyi.freebsd.org/data/latest-per-pkg/sdl/1.2.15_12,2/head-armv6-default.log
>
> http://beefy8.nyi.freebsd.org/data/latest-per-pkg/plib/1.8.5_7/head-armv6-default.log


Yea, that's more extensive than I'd expected.

> I posted a patch to the port that makes it compile for me to that thread.
> > If there's confirmation that it works, i'll work with x11@freebsd.org to
> > get it pushed in. Or just push it in myself since I'm on that list and
> I'm
> > a ports committer.
>
> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=sys/joystick.h could've been used
> to guess a few consumers before pkg-fallout@ complains.
>

True. Most of them are bogus, but many are not.

Given the number, I'm going to add sys/joystick.h back and bump the
__FreeBSD_version and learn from my mistake.

Warner



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