Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:34:31 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Seck <tmseck-lists@netcologne.de> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time (Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?) Message-ID: <20021118023431.60AA1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> In-Reply-To: <20021117201025.P23359-100000@hub.org>
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* Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org):
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Seck wrote:
>> Basically, you want others to do the developing, testing and patching
>> and keep the complaining part for yourself.
>
> No, that is the opposite of my point ... my point is that I *want*, and am
> willing, to do the testing required, as well as do what I can to debug the
> crashes ... I spent several hours last weekend narrowing down a problem
> with -STABLE where it hangs on my server, to the point that a kernel from
> 2002.10.28 boots, but 2002.10.29 doesn't ... that involved at least a half
> dozen CVSup's, builds and reboots of the server ... I'm definitely not
> afraid to do the testing and work on the debugging ... but I don't have
> sufficient knowledge to *fix* the crash ...
Ah, sorry for misinterpreting you.
> What I'm complaining about is that those that are MFCng to -STABLE seem to
> be leaving it as "it works on my hardware, so it must work" and drop'ng
> responsibility for their changes ...
Well, this sounds somewhat familiar to me. But you must agree that the
situation at your site is hard to reproduce for any developer unless you
give him or her shell access.
> so what happens when its time to do a
> RELEASE? There have been soooooo many changes, how do you know which one
> caused the problem?
Hm, I do not quite understand you here.
--Thomas
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