Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 19:44:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Ted Hatfield <ted@io-tx.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? Message-ID: <c8b49a45-1558-4097-57da-26f78538e6fa@io-tx.com> In-Reply-To: <a787101c-a6bd-1f57-6eba-906a8631b2c9@morante.net> References: <CAPyFy2AbP2X339zbemZ9Y8edjNKdyygnR9mH48Q78nxwDtOBAg@mail.gmail.com> <a787101c-a6bd-1f57-6eba-906a8631b2c9@morante.net>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
My vote is also for no. I still use it on most of my systems. Easy to configure easy to use. On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote: > My vote is for no. > > Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving > stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. ? > > On 4/3/2021 4:39 PM, Ed Maste wrote: >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. >> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped >> off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant now as it once was, and it >> had a security vulnerability that secteam had to address. >> >> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Apr 5 02:12:36 2021 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714915BE3BC for <freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 02:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from smtp1.bway.net (smtp1.bway.net [216.220.96.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FDDh33KW5z4p2J for <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 02:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from gaseousweiner.sporklab.com (pool-74-102-83-202.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [74.102.83.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: spork@bway.net) by smtp1.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08F759586B; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 22:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B830D3F4-F52E-4A8E-9E31-4F408F2FC571"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? From: Charles Sprickman <spork@bway.net> In-Reply-To: <a787101c-a6bd-1f57-6eba-906a8631b2c9@morante.net> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 22:12:32 -0400 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 639281552.7915339-589d251a25d29f6fd851ae4cff53a416 Message-Id: <EB934D0D-0C4F-4F0E-AB12-542D2A848E67@bway.net> References: <CAPyFy2AbP2X339zbemZ9Y8edjNKdyygnR9mH48Q78nxwDtOBAg@mail.gmail.com> <a787101c-a6bd-1f57-6eba-906a8631b2c9@morante.net> To: Daniel Morante <daniel@morante.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FDDh33KW5z4p2J X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.220.96.27/32]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bway.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bway.net,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[74.102.83.202:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[216.220.96.27:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8059, ipnet:216.220.96.0/19, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bway.net:s=mail]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[216.220.96.27:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[bway.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[216.220.96.27:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code <freebsd-stable.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 02:12:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B830D3F4-F52E-4A8E-9E31-4F408F2FC571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 4, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable = <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote: >=20 > My vote is for no. >=20 > Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously = moving stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. = =F0=9F=98=89 That=E2=80=99s a +1 here, both for the =E2=80=9Ckeep it=E2=80=9D and for = the comment above regarding complete OS vs. kernel and a teeny userland. Ideally, we=E2=80=99d modernize ftpd to support TLS. The PITA with ports solutions is you immediate run into the issue of = which of the many ftp daemons is going to fit your needs and not require = some non-trivial amount of configuration. The stock ftpd =E2=80=98just = works=E2=80=99 for local user accounts and has a simple method for = blocking of swaths of users from using it if that sort of restriction is = needed. This reminds me of Apple removing the telnet client. Sure, most people = don=E2=80=99t *need* telnet, but it=E2=80=99s handy to have, both as a = simple test tool and as a way to get into old crufty network gear that = never moved on to ssh. Charles >=20 > On 4/3/2021 4:39 PM, Ed Maste wrote: >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. >> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it = dropped >> off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant now as it once was, and it >> had a security vulnerability that secteam had to address. >>=20 >> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B830D3F4-F52E-4A8E-9E31-4F408F2FC571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEECbwhUg0jlYPK5QaKiZUhnP6GpPYFAmBqchAACgkQiZUhnP6G pPb5WAf+P7DJhkVd57nUehdDoEyzYvf0m9SjvYk68QZosk1vdl2mJ42Zs9hkggZz NgmThfJekAkfXSmyz7fSxjcIXQPr+NE6i8mjmhZ+Tu91gOOh9sMDNoSbVSj5Zy7Y p2NqulbG3rr6u+ksyBV11MQcEBIEya8F9kaYA8O/JWkFCh37TSBzNZjfYaMcEik8 C1jRK5HIgRydbLCRe2YaaIWy0r1Us+En+xRNpovpC3zjacHLdGCSLYe3eUXsqZ02 HiyXloShQ0eYr98Fz+okl+K4s3glaWCdG49gp85GdWm0roVkNEklT+yvyOTSNbxa RuH17YFQWgyU5v4HmKa5jeG91rWVVQ== =VU63 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B830D3F4-F52E-4A8E-9E31-4F408F2FC571--
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?c8b49a45-1558-4097-57da-26f78538e6fa>