Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:30 +0300 From: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Message-ID: <201009101837.30844.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> In-Reply-To: <C89041D1-A998-4E4B-AB42-5A37EAAC2777@anduin.net> References: <C8AF9565.488C1%msommer@somware.com> <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <C89041D1-A998-4E4B-AB42-5A37EAAC2777@anduin.net>
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=CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Friday 10 September 2010 17:47:50 =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Ei= rik =C3=98verby =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wr= ote: >=20 > >>>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Sommer <msommer@somware.com> writes: > >=20 > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > >=20 > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > >=20 > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > >=20 > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > > then, we're stuck with Flash. > >=20 > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > > JavaScript. > >=20 > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. >=20 > You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still NEED Java= support in their browsers - and not of their own choice. Banks, insurances= , digital signature services etc. Still frequently use Java as carrier for = their services. Often this cannot be changed easily as such organizations h= ave long turn-around times and make investments in the long term.=20 >=20 > Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run signe= d code it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just one of the = reasons/scenarios.=20 >=20 > I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm su= re it would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately li= ving in a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _= need_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can= as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, where= it already excels.=20 Point is that FreeBSD is just a touch away from rocking in the desktop aren= a as well. Alright i took me (partially) a week (with ubuntu it would have been just 1= =2D2 hours) to finally build an ultra-modern (KDE4.5)=20 environemt in my new box (with flash10 + firefox 3.6 + icedtead 1.6 browser= plugin + virtualbox/ubuntu) but the point is that the overall=20 experience is much better with FreeBSD. Given the extra time needed to debug, report bugs, fix bugs, etc.. the end = result is really good! >=20 > /Eirik >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 = 0095 > > <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>; > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discus= sion > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 =2D-=20 Achilleas Mantzios
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