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Date:      Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:02:47 +0100
From:      Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= <uqs@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Joel Dahl <joel@vnode.se>
Cc:        Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com>, src-committers@freebsd.org, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav <des@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r246362 - head/games/fortune/datfiles
Message-ID:  <20130218180247.GC38645@acme.spoerlein.net>
In-Reply-To: <20130206074201.GG21730@jd.benders.se>
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On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 08:42:01 +0100, Joel Dahl wrote:
> On 06-02-2013 11:18, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:17:25PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote:
> > J> On Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:55:47 pm Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> > J> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:58:54AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote:
> > J> > J> > > On Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39:38 am Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav wrote:
> > J> > J> > > > Author: des
> > J> > J> > > > Date: Tue Feb  5 14:39:37 2013
> > J> > J> > > > New Revision: 246362
> > J> > J> > > > URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/246362
> > J> > J> > > >
> > J> > J> > > > Log:
> > J> > J> > > >   Remove political propaganda
> > J> > J> > > >
> > J> > J> > > > Modified:
> > J> > J> > > >   head/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes-o.real
> > J> > J> > >
> > J> > J> > > *sigh*
> > J> > J> > >
> > J> > J> > > I'm sure there are other quotes that people who do not share your political
> > J> > J> > > persuasion might find propaganda or offensive, etc.  Censorship and freedom
> > J> > J> > > of speech is quite a sticky widget, and I think the only truly sane policy
> > J> > J> > > is that fortune files are append-only (unless we outright remove them and
> > J> > J> > > that seems excessive).  And new things should have a very high bar to be
> > J> > J> > > added to fortune.  Perhaps we should move fortunes-o to ports entirely?
> > J> > J> > >
> > J> > J> > 
> > J> > J> > I am more concerned about the insta-MFC than the removal per se.
> > J> > J> > Only security or legal issues are cause to go under 3 days, was my
> > J> > J> > impression.
> > J> > J> 
> > J> > J> Yes, the insta-MFC is also not appropriate, esp. for something that you know
> > J> > J> is going to raise eyebrows when it is committed.  Having to debate this sort
> > J> > J> of thing in public on mailing lists is also distinctly unhelpful and very
> > J> > J> distracting from productive work.  Also, I'd like to preemptively ask
> > J> > J> developers to refrain from any further commits to the fortunes datfiles for
> > J> > J> the time being as the last thing we need is a commit war over this sort of
> > J> > J> thing.
> > J> > 
> > J> > What about just moving the entire games subdirectory to ports repo?
> > J> 
> > J> We've already moved most of it many years ago.
> > 
> > The yesterday bikeshed proves that "most" isn't enough. :( The entire games subdir
> > needs to be moved.
> 
> +1
> 
> This is a worthless discussion that seems to pop up from time to time. Move it
> to ports.

No. There are people that use morse(6) in production code and stuff like
random(6) can also be very useful. This is *BSD legacy and if it was for
me, the whole games stuff would be brought *back* into the tree from
ports.

So can we move on to something else now and let this one die?

kthxbai
Uli



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