Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:21:19 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> To: "Paul Robinson" <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jive (was RE: was this really necessary?) Message-ID: <20030226132119.172e03aa.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <IPEDKJGCDFHOPEFKLIDHGEOFCCAA.paul@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20030226124320.08ec6b6f.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> <IPEDKJGCDFHOPEFKLIDHGEOFCCAA.paul@iconoplex.co.uk>
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:06:57 -0000
"Paul Robinson" <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> wrote:
> Encouraging racially offensive behaviour is not humourous. If you
> think it is, then that's your choice. Personally, I just think it's
> pathetic. I
That again, is your own point of view. I happen to have excellent people
with afro-american origins who found the post funny. So what you say
now?
> - perhaps they should be judging you on CVS commits, -hackers, -arch
> or perhaps even meeting you in person rather than -chat, so maybe you
> want to apply for another job anyway
Exactly, if someone judges my worthiness by my posts on chat instead of
my work, I'd rather not join that company.
> - regardless of the first point, you should consider whether you want
> to be considered by your peers and future employers as somebody who
> finds "nigger jokes" funny. Your choice.
Still, I get the impression you give it much more thinking than it
deserves. If life taught me something is, learn to make fun of yourself.
> If jive was
> considered appropriate for base rather than ports, that trust
> relationship would be severly damaged, and as a result could quite
> easily affect whether I choose to run FreeBSD. I do not think it would
You can't try to push your moral values on your users.
> It's a joke that causes reactions in some people that is quite
> un-nervingly revealing about their personalities. Remember, this
> particular sub-thread is based around the idea that your future
> employer/spouse/children may end up reading these posts. Again, if you
> think that racially offensive humour is funny, that's fine - you've
> put that down on record. I just happen to strongly disagree.
As I've said, if my spouse judged me by a post on chat I'd rather look
for another woman. Same about the boss.
> I never troll. The statements I make may cause you to feel offended,
> in which case I apologise in advance, but I would say it your face as
No, I don't feel offended at all, and that's my point. Take it easier on
the lists. I think it's Poul-Henning who has a sig about that. He says
'Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", I'd like
to replace stupidity with 'I just wanted to make a joke'. We'll have to
agree to disagree on what's fun and not, but let's not make drama about it.
AFAIK, nobody committed suicide because of this.
Cheers,
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