Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:31:33 +0000 From: ezekiel motta <ezekielmotta017@gmail.com> To: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <CAMGoz4XUo9wzoH-eW64CBqhy8ht-0%2B%2B9FzpkwLV2iTdPTLuC-Q@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHieY7TiEraYcrPa7Km2xVpkqCcfvsEVL6Vn312tD2ymA1iq9A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAMGoz4Vus=gQHY4CH2kmaX7Q19GawG084sk1dLvtUEHVa0v=VQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7R0n5CJkB8HpFVK1_nBSsEgR%2BLqk_rvTU-EuCUZu0M7Hg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMGoz4UCE%2BXJTtu9-d-tke3J%2BgH71xfhO_JaVupZW6Cdk=abNA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7TiEraYcrPa7Km2xVpkqCcfvsEVL6Vn312tD2ymA1iq9A@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree, Alejandro. They do contribute to the community. The remora keeps the shark clean of aquatic bugs and is a pleasant companion. LOL It is a symbiosis in an ecosystem. Even Leopards give back to the community= . Only some/many humans are the exception to this rule. I am going to use NomadBSD on hard metal. Maybe I should not have used the word parasitical. The very fact that they make DE's for FreeBSD is a great contribution. Had they not made the contribution, I would not use FreeBSD. I really did not mean to offend anybody. As I said, my pref is purely technical. This is an interesting case that shows how copyright actually distorts matters. Imagine I create a DE for FreeBSD and call it AlphaX On distrowatch it would say: AlphaX is based on FreeBSD despite the fact that AlphaX's code would be 97% FreeBSD and 3% my code. In reality, my DE would be an addition to FreeBSD. A meagre, minimal, addition. Hence, saying AlphaX is based on FreeBSD does not quite capture it. It should be called FreeBSD/AlphaX DE However, since I can not use the name FreeBSD (for legal reasons) I can not be honest. I would have to call it AlphaX and say that it is based on FreeBSD when, in reality, it is FreeBSD with my meagre addition. Imagine I take a Peugeot 205 rally car, change the inside, change the instrumentation and call it ZeeMobile. See what I am getting at? Well, apologies for the use of the word parasitical. I am just someone who is interested in technology. Greetings everyone, Kind regards and thanks to the FreeBSD Foundation. I really like the manner in which the Foundation combines two venerable principles: democracy and aristocracy. Z On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 6:09 PM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> wrote= : > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:22 PM ezekiel motta <ezekielmotta017@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Precisely. Apple is parasitical, but so is everyone else. Google's use o= f >> Linux, Torvald's use of Unix, Ubuntu's use of Debian, PopOS use of Ubunt= u, >> Manjaro's use of Arch, ad infinitum. >> There is nothing morally repugnant about it, just as there is nothing >> repugnant about the remora's behaviour vis a vis the shark. >> I did not mean it as a moralistic comment. >> >> > Parasitical usually means all take and no give back which IMHO is very > well represented by Oracle and their CEO actually saying it out aloud: > "Larry Ellison: =E2=80=9CIf an Open Source Product Gets Good Enough, We= =E2=80=99ll Simply > Take It.=E2=80=9D Most everyone else you mentioned above has given a lot = of value > to their original projects. For example, Ubuntu has probably given more t= o > Debian than people might realize. E.g. If you have a hardware issue in > Debian, you will probably find the answer in an Ubuntu forum or mailing > list, and most of the time, these patches make their way back to Debian > and/or the Linux kernel. > > I think derived works and/or forks are more of an ecosystem model than > parasitical. There are some notable exceptions, but in general I think th= at > most who fork, will happily give back to their upstream. > > Back to FreeBSD, IMO the Desktop is definitively not the focus, although > there are many hard-core FBSD users who use it as a workstation. > > The opportunity is there, especially with FBSD's licencing, but I think i= t > requires some financial benefit to make it worthwhile to invest in the > arduous process of maintaining workstation type software, and convincing > partners to join your cause, for example basic stuff like Skype or Zoom. > > IIRC iXsystems tried this with TrueOS, I am guessing inspired by their > success with FreeNAS, but eventually killed the project: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS > > IMO (and this is not criticism) the core FreeBSD is not really interested > in the applications of FreeBSD as such but more to maintain the original > and purest possible form of Unix remaining on the planet. That is why I > don't see *BSD projects as parasitical at all, but rather focused > implementations / applications of FreeBSD. > > Best, > > -- > Alejandro Imass > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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