Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:00:17 +0100 From: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Andre Oppermann <andre@FreeBSD.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans <tijl@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... Message-ID: <DCDE1482-C61C-4533-B8D5-DD12C0229A09@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com> References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <11DA3D8A-AD20-4DE1-B807-D09814F61947@bsdimp.com> <51C1C7BD.9060201@FreeBSD.org> <201306191113.29703.jhb@freebsd.org> <A5DB9B17-9622-4F65-A902-4984CDD82DC3@FreeBSD.org> <8D00BE2B-FD8E-4E7B-B818-1C4B7F6BB6A5@bsdimp.com> <F96228E4-16C3-4238-B54B-7E7C0C08B95B@FreeBSD.org> <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com>
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--Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 20 Jun 2013, at 20:34, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > People trying new versions of FreeBSD. Some of them install the = release, others might install a snapshot, some will do an install world. = But if it worked in release 9.3 and broke in 9.4, then to find where = they would need to install an svn port to get all the points in between. >=20 > Not having to install a port, possibly a port that got messed up by = the world you just build, is a big win for me in my mind. Users often = have commented to me that running FreeBSD gets harder and harder with = more hoops to jump through to do things that used to be easy. Installing = svn is one more hoop. It, by itself isn't a huge hoop, but if we can = avoid that hoop we should. >=20 > I do mind installing a port to do this. We've kicked too much out of = the tree in the name of anti-bloat, and frankly I'm glad to see this. This rationale makes sense to me. > I think insisting on a definitive statement on svn lite's mission = statement is a way to obstruct progress. Sometimes you just need to = things because they feel right, not because they have been through a = 20-step approval process... When we add something to base, it should always be for a reason with a = defined use-case that can't be (easily) solved by existing means. I = think we have that rationale now, and I'm happy. A long discussion = could have been circumvented by providing it up-front. David --Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRw19SAAoJEKx65DEEsqIdbPwQAJfjqRTI6R6UpkUKS05uoydL /Dle4aJMStvF0cnJAsRppGxqWWmSvWwTmYfFsqsdypC4XpzlptMIkXevMBZVI6eS 4VGNl1rTY4yeS7qcyISGIgk0nYCUxzF1LrgTpqgP1+sgcbaIhx6CxMnPaxkuDS/A 2I+9HH9MdqyU1K690k+eFeVmQW1dUESi47P5zBoBlOkOsCxlPIDi0l2M8OCcIYQh k/VUbh+JxWWfGV7gxz2ShfJ1NtI457eI6DmjclbGCi4eCVIR3c1+xOcGtuDKmsUs nrDmW88FRnIVPetIMGGINb7nFrsh34vaAC7IlgjxddKpGaucuDZKY7s7xcwCUPvQ q8eR68TvcAxxDy9NQ0V4OsGTOoU6LY0VTMZ2LdoWqoLIkGn4U9QCiZGWOPS46kEc 7W0aTkEusmyX/ojMpRiNvFaXNUq7nq49OLUjk9OrPRv3/fNJsjlbw8A+T/u+J2wg rQSMkzCfhHv9NmqsXAIiIk/A+USfg2/pJM6cQ4WuWpkmDqXRPIX2127fg8hk9jDD KOFA2qOcOvx/mDZYqvJ4K6r7GjmsJd+NTFB7y1WGLkKjLPTsoU9UgRcKX3kYzlGc JZQVer85EzfepDsjE4H3SRVcjeelZqQrFrS3LI/gz2VL222rvyeVAu3ZkRU3lPS4 1SMvLpeABNb8lVAdObum =jaDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3A13DB81-56E4-44A9-ADEF-BAE52192DE8B--
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