Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:11:42 -0700 From: Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> To: yuri@rawbw.com Cc: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20081101211142.5ebb0719@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com> References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com> <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com> <20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com>
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:43:54 -0700 Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com> wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. > > > > exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these "advanced" users you > > say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few > > minutes. > > totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens > WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. > another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it > can be easier to do this with config files ???? > > >> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes > >> to GUI and > >> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested > >> development-stage > >> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some > >> reason. > > > > they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who > > first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to > > users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing? > > > > Microsoft! they learn from it. > > they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. > today windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing > that matters. > if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go > out of business long time ago. I think it depends on what you want to do. For developers KDE4 provides all the features you'd want such as smart text editors, a nice terminal and lots of applications. For normal users I'm not so sure a stock KDE4 is so usable; however having recently used Ubuntu and seen what can be done with Gnome, I'm sure KDE can be configured to be just as good. Talking of Ubuntu, I believe it's now almost as easy to use as Windows, and that's for 'normal' users who don't know much about computers. There are some things that are missing: for example if for some reason it fails to automatically setup the monitor then you're kinda stuck, but all the rest works. As an example of its usability I plugged a new printer in and a few seconds later a notification popped up asking me to select settings, paper type etc. That's neat. I took some photos and plugged my SDHC card into a reader: a photo import application popped up and I could nagivate the photos and select which to copy over. It's smarts like these that really make the difference. I consider myself a power user but I do enjoy things like that being done for me, since I would much prefer to spend my time coding instead of hacking config files to import files, get stuff printed etc. Most people I know are moving from Debian to Ubuntu for the same reason - things just work. At the same time, it's nice to know that if anything does start getting in your way it's still easy to change a few settings to turn it off. -- Bruce Cran
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