Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:55:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Removal of catman from base Message-ID: <CANCZdfoxE8HAAE%2BPVTVOuSYtTYg7rgXcUMMwrAk0Lp0tGu9qaA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.1709121538490.54096@orthanc.ca> References: <20170912184200.GD99742@gmail.com> <77524.1505242222@critter.freebsd.dk> <alpine.BSF.2.21.1709121210140.54096@orthanc.ca> <78909.1505251253@critter.freebsd.dk> <alpine.BSF.2.21.1709121538490.54096@orthanc.ca>
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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that SVR1 had catman and roff was an extra and somewhat
>> pricey software package.
>>
>
> The SVR1 (and 2) systems I had access to were all CTIX, and it shipped
> with nroff/troff. And the 3B4000 & 3B2s I used later (SVR2 and later) also
> had nroff/troff.
>
> Maybe you're thinking of ditroff (Device Independent Troff) that was sold
> for gobs of $$$ through the AT&T Toolchest. Certainly none of the SVRx
> machines I used shipped with ditroff. I don't even think ditroff was on
> our 3B2 SVR3 source tapes.
>
> But I very clearly recall the absense of manpage source on that SVR3 tape.
> I remember howling bloody murder at AT&T Canada over that. This was at
> Athabasca University - a distance education institution. We typeset all
> our own course materials (using Softquad's sqtroff), and not being able to
> include properly typeset manpages with the course documentation (especially
> reflecting our local modifications to the systems) made me ... grumpy.
Back in school, our SunOS 3, SunOS 4 and VAX running BSD 4.{2,3} we had to
run a special ditroff to use the Imagen laser printer. And it was a special
deal that came with the printer to support document creation on the Unix
boxes. I don't know if it was an extra cost item for the Imagen printer or
not, but it wasn't part of the base system.
Warner
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