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Date:      Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:03:34 +0000
From:      greg@unrelenting.technology
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        "freebsd-arm" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, "Emmanuel Vadot" <manu@bidouilliste.net>, "Robert Clausecker" <fuz@fuz.su>, "freebsd-arch" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13
Message-ID:  <85883a5a552a2d28b279e9281da660a7@unrelenting.technology>
In-Reply-To: <202001292142.00TLgV9N066161@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
References:  <202001292142.00TLgV9N066161@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>

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January 30, 2020 12:42 AM, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.=
net> wrote:=0A=0A>> --------=0A>> In message <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8=
509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, Emmanuel Vadot writes:=0A>> =0A>> RPi's a=
re a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular=0A>> for edu=
cators.=0A>> =0A>> In what way ?=0A>> Real answer only.=0A>> =0A>> 1. Sch=
ools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational=0A>> mater=
ial, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational=0A>> courses and=
 materials, pretty much ready to go.=0A> =0A> As a bonus data point I hav=
e seen RPI's in vending machines at=0A> universities that have engineerin=
g departments. Thats just how=0A> "commidity" these items are in the educ=
ational world.=0A> =0A>> 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers=
 carry them.=0A>> =0A>> 3. Big electronics pushers carry them.=0A> =0A> Y=
ou can walk into a Frys and walk out with one!=0A> =0A>> In re 1-3: No cu=
stoms processing of shipment involved.=0A> =0A> :-)=0A> =0A>> 4. Cost, in=
cluding shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most=0A>> organizations.=
=0A> =0A> Yep.=0A> =0A> I have no problem if some want to ignore RPI*, bu=
t as Poul says=0A> FreeBSD does so at its own peril. If its a man power t=
hing lets=0A> find it or make it!=0A=0APSA: with the RPi 4, the distincti=
on between proper SBSA/SBBR machines and the Pi can get quite small.=0ATh=
e new SoC uses a GIC instead of a custom interrupt controller, so it is p=
ossible to describe=0Aall the basics of the system using generic ACPI. An=
d upstream TianoCore EDK2 is doing just that.=0AFor example, even the XHC=
I USB controller can be a good old PNP0D10:=0Ahttps://github.com/tianocor=
e/edk2-platforms/commit/0d4b36888b5e614afef0361fda6e899b85999a52=0A=0AThe=
 organization for this work is https://github.com/pftf=0A=0APeople have a=
ctually got Windows (!!!) to run using this:=0Ahttps://twitter.com/WhatAi=
ntInside/status/1221151430788161537=0A=0AAnd this doesn't mean we have to=
 kill the support for all the extra Pi features.=0AFor example, see how N=
etBSD has added ACPI attachment for the Broadcom mailbox:=0Ahttps://githu=
b.com/NetBSD/src/commit/12e2bb1bfb04328865863ea0d970e323ec0470e5



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