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Date:      Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Brian Handy <handy@sag.space.lockheed.com>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>, Matthew Hunt <mph@pobox.com>, dima@best.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: kernel permissions 
Message-ID:  <Pine.OSF.3.96.980417155704.20018C-100000@sag.space.lockheed.com>
In-Reply-To: <14147.892853744@time.cdrom.com>

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>[Can we get this thread the ^&%@!$#!! out of -stable now please?]
>
>> Yep, and I maintain that for 99% of us, this was a *HUGE* step backwards.
>
>What would you have done instead?

[Brian checks we're out of -stable, though this rant isn't a -security
topic]

Nothing?  For ISP's and people running servers, I'm sure it's great!  For
the Rest of Us, the unwashed masses, the people who just buy a PC and try
to do data analysis and write theses and run netscape and compile big
programs, *all* this ever does is jam up the works.  How many emails have
you seen on the lists where somebody said "I can't get this to work,
waaaah" and LOTS of times the answer is "Oh, you have to relax the limits
in login.conf for that to work!"?????





Brian


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