Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 00:44:30 -0400 From: Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: Brad Davis <brd@freebsd.org>, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc Message-ID: <CE039A85-2B92-40D4-BB1C-7409A5CCA994@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <201806062035.w56KZhV8006721@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201806062035.w56KZhV8006721@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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> On Jun 6, 2018, at 16:35, Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net= > wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>>>>> 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I find it often very useful to do >>>>>>>>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) >>>>>>>>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact >>>>>>>>> contains> > >>> non-editable content. Is this planned to keep wor= king ? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The short answer is, no. All rc.d scripts get moved to the src >>>>>>>> of the program they start.> > >> >>>>>>>> That said, if there is a big need for this, we can see about >>>>>>>> options to keep them working.> > >> >>>>>>>> What are you trying to accomplish when you do this? Just verify >>>>>>>> the rc.d scripts match your src tree?> > > >>>>>>> I avoid mergemaster/etcupdate and whatever else. rc.d and /etc/rc,> >= > /etc/rc.subr /etc/rc.network are not suitable to etc, they are >>>>>>> binaries> > > provided by the project not for the user editing. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> When upgrading the host, esp. on HEAD, i usually refresh scripts >>>>>>> by this> > > procedure and avoid any editing and implied conflict re= solution >>>>>>> for real> > > configs. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Not being able to easily install clean copies of these scripts >>>>>>> would> > > be very inconvenient and time consuming. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I found that "mergemaster -iFUP" deals with unchanged files >>>>>> including mentioned rc* scripts just fine.> > That is, it automatical= ly refreshes unchanged files without any >>>>>> silly questions just for change of $FreeBSD$.> >>>>> No, you missed the point. Whatever nice is the handling of >>>>> unchanged files,> use of mergemaster forces me to handle changed files= , which is exactly> what I do not want/need to do. Yes, I update crashboxes= very >>>>> often, and> I want to get all new code, including the startup scripts,= when >>>>> I update. >>>> The startup scripts will be installed as part of installworld. >>>=20 >>> So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod /etc/rc.d/=20= >>> and other stuff >>> that mght exist? >>> One of the reasons that etc/Makefile is detached from Installword is so=20= >>> that >>> /etc does not get perturbuted unless specifically requested. >>=20 >> Yes, this is by design. >=20 > This is going to have a great amount of push back, and this is by your NEW= design, > the existing design does not cause this pain. >=20 This is my position as well. Some people may not like or agree that rc scrip= ts are user modifiable but they are and have been =E2=80=9Cforever=E2=80=9D.= The fact that tools like mergemaster have handled merging of them, =E2=80=9C= forever=E2=80=9D, makes this a huge POLA violation to suddenly be replacing t= hem. I don=E2=80=99t see any benefits at all except to pissoff users. Some of these planned changes for etc feel over zealous and under thought ou= t or discussed. Whatever people think about these topics we must consider POLA and not regre= ssing people=E2=80=99s workflows for no benefit other than draconian ideals a= bout what a user is allowed to modify. >>=20 >> If people need custom tweaks for that stuff they should be upstreamed or m= oved into /usr/local/etc/rc.d as a custom startup script. >=20 > I doubt very much this is a practical solution. I have changes that I dou= bt > belong in FreeBSD, and are not restricted to etc/rc.d. And from reading > this thread thus far so do others. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd= .org >=20
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