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Date:      Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:02:53 +0300 (EEST)
From:      Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
To:        Fabio Miranda Hamburger <fabmirha@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr>
Cc:        advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: apm
Message-ID:  <20030409115811.U45138@gothmog>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304081454220.2474-100000@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304081454220.2474-100000@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr>

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On 2003-04-08 14:57, Fabio Miranda Hamburger wrote:
> > > Yes, complaint in mailing list about FreeBSD lack of hardware and new
> > > feature support is "being a troll" or "lame".
> >
> > Ignoring the answers you get and constructing straw men and in general
> > whining about things that aren't true is being a troll. You're doing
> > all of those things.
>
> When there are hardware problems with FreeBSD that doesnt mean "freebsd is
> hard to use", It means the Proyect is incompetent and is not organized.

This is a logical fallacy, that fails to acknowledge the rest of the
possibilities that exist:

  * There's a problem with the hardware parts in question.

  * The hardware vendor is keeping information 'hidden' behind
    restrictive licenses that FreeBSD developers don't have access to.

and so forth...  The world isn't black and white only.

> Take a stadistical information about questions list on freebsd.org and
> most of the questions are hardware related problems.

What do the statistics say about problems that are reported and fixed?

> FreeBSD doesnt see that as a 'weakness' cuz they are el1t3 at kernel
> stuff.

Sorry, this does not follow.  What you quoted until now doesn't prove
anything like this.

- Giorgos



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