Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:10:35 -0500 From: Jacob Suter <jsuter@linus.intrastar.net> To: dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Cc: Ulf Zimmermann <ulf@Alameda.net>, Stephen Roome <steve@visint.co.uk>, shovey@buffnet.net, danf@JadeTech.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? Message-ID: <33C65AFA.684DB59A@linus.intrastar.net> References: <3.0.32.19970710174542.00b08500@etinc.com>
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Well its two seperate markets. Some people do not/will not trust a
router card, or it would not be best in their situation. I was just
saying its cheap and it works. Not saying that it outperformed anything
else.
ComOS is really idiot proof, I hear the ET cards aren't quite that easy
but easy enough for people that understand FreeBSD and routing.
Also, if you are recieving your support from a third party (or your
upstream) they may not consider a router card a 'supportable' situation.
JS
dennis wrote:
> At 01:00 PM 7/10/97 -0500, Jacob Suter wrote:
> >ISP Price for a Livingston OR-HS (T1/E1 capable office router,
> unlimited
> >IP's, doesn't do BGP4 but everything else including OSPF) for $649
> ISP
> >price... Nice box based on the 386SX/25 running standard Livingston
> >ComOS
>
> A real screamer! ("capable" is the key word here). You could plop a
> $795. card into your freebsd box and get expandability and a lot
> more horsepower. Even our $530. card will blow away a Livingston.
>
> Dennis
> >
> >JS
> >
> >
> >Ulf Zimmermann wrote:
> >
> >> > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Steve Hovey wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Daniel C. Fifield wrote:
> >> > > > I run an ISP in Wisconsin and we are planning an upgrade from
> a
> >> 56KB line
> >> > > > to a T1 line. My ISP recommends using a CISCO router. I am
> >> looking for
> >> > > > alternatives and experience using the CICSO router.
> >> > >
> >> > > I love my ciscos - its all I will use! Not too long ago, we
> had a
> >> cracker
> >> > > attack an older cisco, rendering it useless. Their tech
> support
> >> stayed on
> >> > > the phone and got me upgraded to a new operating system and
> >> crackerproofed
> >> > > in a very short time!
> >> >
> >> > CISCO's customer support might be great when one of their pieces
> of
> >> > equipment begins to show it's age/vulnerability, I'm not sure
> >> however that
> >> > it's the best advertising or reason to buy a Cisco.
> >> >
> >> > I still really don't understand why folks with only a T1 line
> insist
> >> on
> >> > buying a separate router, we have E1 here and have a dual port
> >> serial card
> >> > and a mux. It costs the same to add onto a pc as a Cisco, you
> still
> >> get
> >> > tech support and the PC that runs it doesn't do anything else or
> >> fall over
> >> > ever.
> >>
> >> Why ? Because what ever system you run your T1 off, PC or SGI or
> >> whatever,
> >> if it is not a dedicated router, people tend to run other services
> off
> >> it.
> >> If you run other services off it, you tend to modify it (for
> example
> >> reboot). That brings down your whole T1 line. I thought long about
> it,
> >>
> >> as I started with just a Fractional T1 Frame Relay line for myself
> and
> >>
> >> decided at that point to go with a Cisco PC card. It is a complete
> >> router,
> >> it just takes power from the PC and a com port emulation for the
> >> console
> >> port. Even with this solution I power cycled the box it was in too
> >> often.
> >>
> >> If customer ask me today about a standalone router or a PC card, I
> >> often
> >> tell them to get a router like the Engage routers. a T1 with CSU
> >> version
> >> cost $995 for ISPs. It has no large option in routing protocols,
> but
> >> as an endpoint, they don't need much. The reason I tell them this,
> it
> >> is
> >> a standalone box. A black box in the corner. No one is going to
> touch
> >> it.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Besides, why learn how to use a Cisco router, when you can have a
>
> >> *BSD box
> >> > do it for you for the same price/cheaper, but with a lot less
> hassle
> >> if it
> >> > goes wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Check out www.etinc.com and www.sdlcomm.com to name two.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway,
> >> >
> >> > Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd.
> >> > Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342
> >> > WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ulf.
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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