Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:53:02 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> To: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> Cc: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "<dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-ID: <20211022195302.4470bc13ca02a35a3169e798@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: <YXL1QMiaDr4tEOa4@FreeBSD.org> References: <20211020134237.17596440e1fabda5d40f6985@bidouilliste.com> <YXBNqdMe2y1bJj43@FreeBSD.org> <20211021080214.GB77338@zxy.spb.ru> <YXGdSdBWvHzHqK4J@FreeBSD.org> <99e7aecf-9ab7-8b8f-ff30-b5fce3e031c2@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfrPMLBSzuo1XzWroVMpzG_mLDeZxTbo3r0-_7SQz_C8%2Bg@mail.gmail.com> <YXItLjwMQ58k9kOu@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfpMyOgKvnkHvH_Cwg_s9=3dxaon4PRe2kBJYTxtc6qzVg@mail.gmail.com> <YXJaBprJNsOB1CmM@FreeBSD.org> <2d9f9df5958cec23b11d6e23e0b20c236db44574.camel@freebsd.org> <YXL1QMiaDr4tEOa4@FreeBSD.org>
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:40 -0700 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:59:28AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > I> On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 06:28 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > I> > > Our users aren't so unsophisticated as to be totally swayed by the > I> > > choice of wording. > I> > > I> > This is not how it works Warner, you don't first offer biased poll > I> > and then defend skewed results by appealing to observed ratio and > I> > how smart your target audience is. > I> > I> Do you really believe different words would change the result from 4:1 > I> against to some number in favor? Of course you don't, you're only > I> complaining because your opinion is VERY CLEARLY the minority one. > > I don't think unbiased wording would affect voting result if we did > the vote within developers@FreeBSD.org. But the vote with biased > wording was placed on.. hold my beer! ... on TWITTER, the most unbiased > platform in the world! So, Warner has 1280 followers and I would claim > that many of them are not FreeBSD users, and some probably doesn't > have idea what FreeBSD bell problem is. It was retweeted by 7 people, > some of whom has hundreds of followers. Given twitter algorithms, the > poll may show up even in feed of people who don't follow Warner or > retwitters directly. You know, some people love to express their opinion > on social media, so why not to click on the poll, to help those FreeBSD guys? > To sum up, we are asking semi-random set of people a question charged with > a correct answer. What would you expect? > > -- > Gleb Smirnoff Let's ask our community then : https://discord.com/channels/727023752348434432/757543661058654269/901166071078322267 -- Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> <manu@FreeBSD.org>
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