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Date:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:57:04 +1000
From:      "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
To:        "Laurence Berland" <stuyman@confusion.net>
Cc:        <lhsmith@cfl.rr.com>, "Jesper Holmberg" <jeho5791@student.uu.se>, <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>, <b.j.smith@ieee.org>, <thebs@theseus.com>, "Denis J. Cirulis" <monster@okb.lv>
Subject:   Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking
Message-ID:  <02a101c0aa7e$9984eac0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au>
References:  <OFA420CC63.6AEAEDB6-ON87256A08.006994B1@smed.com> <01030800251100.00557@r55h47.res.gatech.edu> <20010308115639.A4298@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> <022801c0a7c0$024f8860$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AA79277.32455314@cfl.rr.com> <028b01c0a7e

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> NT (blech, migrating away)
> OpenBSD
> BSD/OS
> Linux
> Solaris
> IOS (I don't know much, so I've never done anything with it, but of
> course we use it in our Cisco gear)

We had the odd NT .... as you say it is a dog. I've sometimes thought that a
BSOD
could be invoked by just poking ones tongue at it :), however the Win2K
replacement
is a horse of a different color completely ... still way short of BSD /
Solaris in terms of
uptimes but its almost usable now. I dunno where Bill gets his advice that
W2K stays up
for 6 months or more, but I regularly get a week & sometimes two out of it
without a
UPS, maybe a month when a UPS is used, I'd so probably use W2K in preference
to
linux. (assuming no application support issues)
>
> THe use of linux comes down to commercial software, for which we pay,
> not being officially supported under FreeBSD.  Had that not been the
> case, I don't know which we'd be using.  It'd be a lot more of a toss
> up, but as an intern and the most junior member of the systems team, I
> wouldn't get say anyway.

I guess our use of FreeBSD in Apana is close to its ideal, in style of
operation if not in
magnitude. The only relevant services / applications needed are things like
DNS / FTP /
http (apache & ColdFusion) / SMTP (sendmail) / POP3 (cucipop) / database
(mySQL)
which are all supported. With many commercial clients I can install whatever
I'm prepared
to support ... in  a few cases I've got Solaris / StarOffice in to replace
Win98 / MS Office, however its almost obligatory to use some rendition of
Windows O/S in commercial offices because of stuff like the DOS based
accounting apps. I've been experimenting with various emulators etc also the
very nice VNC remote control thingy. Thats a huge improvement on
the quite usable (but bandwidth hogging) Windows Terminal Sevices. Both
Solaris & SCO
have interesting products too but still reliant on having a Windows box
lurking around someplace. Maybe the use of BSD on workstations will get a
boost after Sun releases
Solaris 9 with Gnome .... if nothing else they will get rid of that ugly
great paw thats
currently plastered all over the place !!



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