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Date:      Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:24 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 3.0-RELEASE? 
Message-ID:  <199803022341.QAA24319@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199803022325.PAA14115@dingo.cdrom.com>
References:  <199803022318.PAA13189@rah.star-gate.com> <199803022325.PAA14115@dingo.cdrom.com>

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> > You know there is the MBone for this sort of scenarios and it 
> > will not be difficult to setup world group meetings where
> > folks can go attend the session for instance Whistle has or had
> > a fine mbone tunnel .
> 
> Hah.  You forget that nobody outside the Bay area has the mbone 
> anymore, if they ever had it in the first place.

No kidding.  Our ISP played with it for awhile (for watching NaNOG
meetings), and gave it up.  They're now sending people to the meetings,
since it was much cheaper and useful than using the Mbone, which is
useless given the current 'lag' and 'loss' on the net as a whole.

PHK's 40% packet loss to CA with normal traffic would make the MBONE
more than useless.  It would simply waste bandwidth with no gain.

That's why people who want the MBONE for research and such want their
own private Internet back again, and are asking for grants and such to
give them their own toy back.


Nate

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