Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:13:01 +0100 From: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <DB8DF40B-BEFE-4BA3-A79B-27E2ECA31DC3@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <CA622462-DB69-40E4-9E1D-A4D83AEB12F8@theravensnest.org> <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org>
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: > Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If = I > missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't = tell > people about isn't really any better than not providing it at all. It's not widely advertised, because we're likely to be able to support a = limited number of remote participants (10 seems like the upper limit for = the technology that we're looking at, and I wouldn't be surprised if it = degrades before then). As with all other things in the project, we = welcome people who are willing to make an effort to engage. We provide = it when people ask, not spontaneously, because organising cameras and = decent microphones requires effort on the bart of the organisers. We = only have one microphone available that will give good pickup over a = whole room, for example, so we can't offer remote participation in = parallel streams and we need to prioritise people who are willing to go = to the massive effort of sending a one-line email saying 'I would like = to make a contribution in this working group but am unable to attend'. =20= The FreeBSD Foundation has also offered to fund new contributors who = want to attend but are unable to afford to do so on their own. In spite = of the fact that I spent some effort encouraging people to apply for = this, only one person actually did. =20 We make a considerable effort to ensure that DevSummits are easy to = attend for anyone who wants to contribute to the projects. They are not = intended as spectator events, but for anyone who wishes to engage with = the community there are procedures in place for attending or = participating remotely. I have very little sympathy with people who = complain that the community isn't engaging with them, without making the = effort to engage with the community. =20 David
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