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Date:      Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To:        sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl)
Cc:        freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: distfiles no longer on 4.0 CDs
Message-ID:  <200004191343.JAA39031@blackhelicopters.org>
In-Reply-To: <200004191313.PAA25919@matrix.42.org> from Stefan `Sec` Zehl at "Apr 19, 2000  3:13:32 pm"

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> That's bad. I was aware that the CVS tree was kicked off (and i can live with
> that, as long as the release-source keeps beeing included.)
> 
> But loosing the distfiles is just plain bad. This saved me so much download
> time. I hope they will be back on one of the next releases.
> 

Many of us would like to see them back, I'm sure.

The majority of users use packages, however.  Unlike FreeBSD itself
the CDs are a commercial product, and have to pander to the tastes of
the masses.

It sounds like the Toolkit is going to be the desired "super-release":
packages plus distfiles plus OS, plus any commercial demos and other
goodies.  It's all a question of what you want, and what you're
willing to pay for.

The thing to remember hereq is that there's a difference
between FreeBSD and Walnut Creek (now BSDi).  BSDi is simply a
commercial company, out to make money like any other.  They just
happen to be making that cash by support us, the users and developers
of FreeBSD.  The fact that they plow a good chunk of their profits
back into FreeBSD is lucky for us (smart on their part, yes, but lucky
for us as well).

Jordan is in a difficult spot, being both a BSDi employee and the
FreeBSD release coordinator.  He wants to do what's right for both.  I
don't like not getting distfiles, but I don't like any of the other
choices any better.  ;)

I'd pay for distfiles.  You'd pay for distfiles.  Most people want
packages, so packages are what gets put on the commercial CD.

Perhaps you, I, and others like us, need to unsub from the vanilla
FreeBSD subscription, and pick up a Toolkit subscription?  It'll cost
more, but we'll get more.

==ml


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