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Date:      Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:08:11 +0400
From:      "Andrew Pantyukhin" <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Kirill Ponomarew" <krion@voodoo.bawue.com>
Cc:        cvs-ports@freebsd.org, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/games/ppracer Makefile pkg-descr
Message-ID:  <cb5206420706150908x5e93efe7xed494fbe35f3cd31@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20070615154408.GH19707@voodoo.bawue.com>
References:  <200706151319.l5FDJ3ZT002340@repoman.freebsd.org> <cb5206420706150625h1554d0blabda24b04f50a626@mail.gmail.com> <20070615135952.GE19707@voodoo.bawue.com> <cb5206420706150755w561da70ei8ae7dc21809cdc37@mail.gmail.com> <20070615154408.GH19707@voodoo.bawue.com>

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On 6/15/07, Kirill Ponomarew <krion@voodoo.bawue.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:55:20PM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
> >  On 6/15/07, Kirill Ponomarew <krion@voodoo.bawue.com> wrote:
> > > Andrew, please stop sending such kind of comments to
> > > ports-committers@ alias, in this case it really should be sent
> > > privately.  But, frankly speaking, even if I get it privately, I'd
> > > smile.  You should really *think* before you mail your comments to
> > > ports-committers list, these above comments are inappropriate here.
> > >
> > > Please move all you technical items for commits whether to ports@
> > > and discuss it there, or privately, depending how *important* is
> > > your comment.  Inserting the coins for every commit and do it in
> > > ports-committers@ is not what I expected while discussing technical
> > > review explanations.
> >
> >  I'm the one who sends most messages, but this is not
> >  a one-man effort. Many people read them, some comment
> >  on them - and we all learn. And this is the point:
> >  making committers aware of the amount of problems in
> >  our commits, discussing them together. I'm not an
> >  automated process, we must all learn from each other's
> >  mistakes, broadcasted to a list, because we just don't
> >  have enough human resources for private lessons.
>
> Sorry, but it's high level crap to discuss here stuff like Approved
> by: "pointyhat via kris", "pointyhat", "portsmon via linimon" or
> just "portsmon".  I don't want to see here the "yet another policy
> and discussion how to write Approved by: line", should I write pav@
> or just pav, "via" kris or just kris.  Andrew, I'm just repeating,
> these are crap comments and they shouldn't belong to
> ports-committers list.

I get your message, I'll try to raise a bar a bit
for qualifying comments on this front.

> >  As for the mailing-list, I think ports-committers is
> >  the most appropriate one because this is primarily an
> >  inter-committer process.
>
> You can't even really imagine how many users read ports-committers
> list just to know the changes in the ports tree.  They're not
> interested in the above notes.  So, please respect our users as well
> and don't think only about committers guys.

Try to use threaded mode or something. You're right, a lot
of people are subscribed. I expected some of them to be
extremely annoyed by my "spam". I'm sorry for that. Right
now I'm just happy that you're the only one who have voiced
it.


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