Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:08:41 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Jonathan Anderson <jonathan@FreeBSD.org>, Tim =?utf-8?Q?=C4=8Cas?= <darkuranium@gmail.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UTF-8 by default? Message-ID: <20160720190841.iuplrbhmdq7sr6br@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20160720183814.GA77261@ymer.vnode.se> References: <CANd9X8f5wHvdwN_XZ2y0qsiydYyb=NKLXF0k65S0_TiuWHeGKA@mail.gmail.com> <B68D48ED-66CA-4E5B-8ED2-555B397AC73E@FreeBSD.org> <20160720140741.yi7vfgmmqtg6eprx@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20160720183814.GA77261@ymer.vnode.se>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 08:38:14PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 04:07:41PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:47:45AM -0230, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:13, Tim Čas wrote: > > > > > > > So, without further ado: > > > > 1) What are the reasons that UTF-8 isn't the default yet? > > > > 2) Would it be possible to make this the default in 11.0? What about > > > > 12.0? > > > > 3) Assuming an effort is started towards making UTF-8 the default, > > > > what changes would be required? > > > > > > At least according to one of my students (who makes more extensive use of > > > i18n than I do), enabling UTF-8 by default is pretty straightforward: > > > > > > https://github.com/musec/freebsd/wiki/Common-setup#utf-8-support > > > > the LC_COLLATE=C is not needed anymore with freebsd 11+ > > > > > > If there's anything missing there, I'd love to hear about it. > > > > > - unicode support in our old groff is pretty bad, I plan to replace it with > > heirloom-doctools which does handle unicode propertly (as far I have tested > > at least) > > I haven't really been paying attention lately so things might have changed, > but why can't we just remove groff now? We have mdocml, and for people that > really need the groff functionality can just install it or heirloom-doctools > from ports. The initial plan was to remove groff after we imported mdocml, but > it was never removed and I lost interest, so again, things might have changed > since then. We have roff documentation in based, plus a lot of people argues that not havin a roff toolchain in base is an issue for them. heirloom doctools upstream is friendly, they fixed all the bugs I reported or merged my fixes if needed, they have a good compatibility so the fallback in man(1) could be done on something in base if mandoc cannot render properly some manpages. Upstream is CDDL but all new code is BSD licensed. Importing is not hard, just need some motivation to finish all the required makefiles :) Best regards, Bapt [-- Attachment #2 --] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXj8wwAAoJEGOJi9zxtz5aJPwP/ilpKXKH10yDINtdbTRbPa2O 5js0jeZopx1lu6+0vN8eksOtNyPBNUPnw/XjipDhOGaAdrk70zoCDN4NjR1Ysnsb acnUFcoLJlNO3OUrTzaCvrYIs4JnD5nZ3dgBc+4cZaTCrzehAWgO2GsFA6fxm2CC 5B4T21E1WlLFiqa06U/HUwxLT2ShZjF1r2D57l/YI9et8cCFpAjLaqPguyCmwbPp S61ymbfmBZ0xiKJ9muy1HZj0AsQgfeUzSwJcvZmdsVCcoAHxy4NrjjuAcy0NRil+ E09XAmgMnKHSEO02ptGHK5P6nVnbO5dZ8BmKnfHjJEXUZWzZr+ojlbH4xLVEJ33T 4gGlql1gUDq50/tP+ss5gZxcirglyu0yWFavyIgezHen4HDRceRbtuK+a9NL93Br oP3MTvx/hZhyMQkpp0pXWShpG6ubjxehG6PthEGach3TEAxr1pjj0jM0abQTPlyK xs9YibvLdYh2M8j38kiCkrBW1hvYWmPHd1jtGawEqTp3RT0T32FlBqPZMZT1SukQ 5CmaSKXd5MTBPv7pUOTtuCRHd2XTdtWg061A8+jkTm+3Eh4lGwU+B5vd8SxA8C4T d6bA7ppsIW0LxeuXNoUJ72lXdqULvBNP4s0Iw3zKMIblNNe1wMNP3+bTSbhwNJ0G F1KCnSbl9uWMplCZrDEq =lxQD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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