Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:54:09 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> Cc: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>, FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSigabH2K1hDR2Js3HTe0Tgm0MBmVrYsLdLGwx3pEkHPJHw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHieY7Sb5Q2tvUWgQPyeDVAvZDDZr2D7pB4cCi2hBmRGSawEEg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7Q2hFoNiruGof81UuomFs5Z%2B6o186d_%2BY8w7JuoQWpitg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7SFHAEQVdu75ffdpghXZzsxZqMXaKtxUFS0ZUYLM14yDA@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihg2Q_cnpxFpWaPn_M8qziCqMw=o7DWjYWXGR4RKki12w@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7Tmw0aqgVSmM5A5zC6ULW4dNANXCqGv8c=kxCzFF9Dh6g@mail.gmail.com> <c849e14b-a612-dc0b-e0a0-0586386aa1fa@redbarn.org> <CA%2B1FSijet4G3nS97ZjA6jsZC=SJ5gKzxKxDyqkQUtasCi3Lw9A@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7ST9z90=oO92z21fXCXNnU6fAz3HxZ_ccBud4FtfeTsKA@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVeYaqDaMo16hs9CkQb2kJRi08ODUpKg7kuKML%2B9CR9w@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7Sb5Q2tvUWgQPyeDVAvZDDZr2D7pB4cCi2hBmRGSawEEg@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000f629e30610674a46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---> BTW, I think what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel. Please don't compare FreeBSD to MacOS. On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 3:33=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com= > wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail= .com> > wrote: > >> Alejandro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the discussion at a certain >> point has broadened and deepened. I don't understand why I can't propose >> an alternative to the actual jail and jail managers that you are talking >> about. And no. On the L4 website there is a userland based on new versio= ns >> of Ubuntu and Debian that can be used with the microkernel offered. They >> also say that FreeBSD can be compiled,too,using the same technique used = to >> build the Linux userland proposed. If you want to talk about containers,= why >> not also add the microkernel topic,that's not a container,but its workin= g >> can be compared to the microservices offered by Linux and FreeBSD if the= y >> run with a microkernel. >> >> > Never said you can't propose it, it just seems off-topic to this thread. > Maybe start a new thread on microkernel versus X. > This thread is about containers and container configuration, auto-scaling= , > discovery, updating and monitoring, etc. > > What I usually do in this case is start a new thread with a new subject > and (was: xxx). > That way, people interested in that branch of the discussion can continue > on its own topic, and the mail archives can do a better job for later > research. > > BTW, I think what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that= : > the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel. > > Best, > > -- > Alex > --=20 Mario. --000000000000f629e30610674a46 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>---> BTW, I think what you are saying already exis= ts and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel.=C2= =A0</div><div><br></div><div>Please don't compare FreeBSD to MacOS. <br= ></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail= _attr">On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 3:33=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <<a href= =3D"mailto:aimass@yabarana.com">aimass@yabarana.com</a>> wrote:<br></div= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border= -left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di= r=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<= a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gma= il.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left= :1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Alejandro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the= discussion at a certain point <span lang=3D"en"><span><span>has broadened = and deepened. I don't understand why I can't propose an alternative= to the actual jail and jail managers that you are talking about. And no. O= n the L4 website there is a userland based on new versions of Ubuntu and De= bian that can be used with the microkernel offered. They also say that Free= BSD can be compiled,too,using the same technique used to build the Linux us= erland proposed. If you want to talk about containers,why not also add the = microkernel topic,that's not a container,but its working can be compare= d to the microservices offered by Linux and FreeBSD if they run with a micr= okernel. </span></span></span><span></span><div><br></div></div></blockquot= e><div><br></div><div>Never said you can't propose it, it just seems of= f-topic to this thread. Maybe start a new thread on microkernel versus X.= =C2=A0</div><div>This thread is about containers and container configuratio= n, auto-scaling, discovery, updating and monitoring, etc.</div><div><br></d= iv><div>What I usually do in this case is start a new thread with a new sub= ject and (was: xxx).=C2=A0</div><div>That way, people interested in that br= anch of the discussion can continue on its own topic, and the mail archives= can do a better job for later research.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, I th= ink what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeB= SD core and the mach microkernel.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div= ><div><br></div><div>--=C2=A0</div><div>Alex</div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000f629e30610674a46--
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