Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:36:43 +0100 From: "Ronald Klop" <ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will we get a RELEASE-9.1 for Christmas? Message-ID: <op.wo5efhf68527sy@ronaldradial.versatec.local> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1tf4=HZ1wOKrcsvu2fesHmo2enUJPJ8YoAFn4etCfw9SA@mail.gmail.com> References: <201212090318.UAA11257@lariat.net> <50C4A341.9070903@FreeBSD.org> <201212092031.NAA17017@lariat.net> <CAJ-Vmo=YSZKTYsVXdm_%2B11F=Kbimancz6w-Ogqb4ZU2VzQE25A@mail.gmail.com> <201212092215.PAA17770@lariat.net> <CAJ-Vmokhc1jGp0Q511pRjK%2B1Ae0astfqd9B3ykBoGZq%2B76kn6g@mail.gmail.com> <201212101735.KAA02736@lariat.net> <CAJ-VmonG87MQn6GHQuh2pW9msdtSnsbCzVF8AYAuVNb5fp34Ow@mail.gmail.com> <201212102352.QAA09737@lariat.net> <CAN6yY1tf4=HZ1wOKrcsvu2fesHmo2enUJPJ8YoAFn4etCfw9SA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 05:06:24 +0100, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.net> wrote: >> At 04:29 PM 12/10/2012, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >>> There's politics in every organisation. There are ego clashes in every >>> organisation. Sometimes you'll fit in, sometimes you won't. If you >>> feel there are issues, find people inside the community who you do get >>> along well with and talk with them about it. >>> >>> It sucks, yes. I'm one of those "shut up and code already" types and I >>> deal badly with politics. >> >> >> Me, too. That's why I have been contributing code quietly through others >> rather than putting myself out in the front lines. >> >> In any event -- back to the original topic -- there should indeed be >> better >> communications between the Release Engineering team and the community. >> The time it takes to post updates -- especially as it gets close to >> release >> time -- would be recovered many times over because folks like me >> wouldn't >> have any need to e-mail regarding status and projected schedules. ;-) > > I whole-heatedly agree... but I know a little about release > engineering for a large project, especially when the release team is > unpaid and has to honor commitments to $real_job. Release engineering > is very detail-oriented and unforgiving. This is not really > compatible with part-time work. > > The RE must be focused, first ans foremost, on getting a release out > the door as quickly as possible and not to have any serious problems > with that release. This makes it very had to pull bakc and make > announcements or even update posted schedules. That is made even worse > by hte desire to make such communication accurate or at least useful. > Since there is a LOT of guessing involved in pulling together a > release (how long will "Joe" take to fix this problem or why are there > half a dozen reports of a serious issue with the RC, when no one else > can reproduce it or even figure out what part of the system is causing > it), RE folks are usually reticent about trying to give out any > information since it will most likely be inaccurate. > > This is why I accept the line that it will be released when it is > ready. I really think it's about ready, but not even the head of the > 9.1 RE team KNOWS when it will be ready, even if the ISO builds are > started. "There is many a slip twixt the cup and the lip." Then they can communicate they don't know a date. People accept hearing: 'because of unforeseen problems the expected date is unknown' in stead of '2012-10-29' (http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/9.1TODO). Not knowing something is not an excuse for not communicating. Ronald.
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