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Date:      Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:49:25 +0100
From:      Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>
To:        stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness
Message-ID:  <20020128064925.GA1180@raggedclown.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020127134511.Q81780-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>
References:  <20020127220923.B1494@shell.gsinet.sittig.org> <20020127134511.Q81780-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>

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On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 02:50:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> 
> Really, I'm just arguing for doing something that makes sense, and the
> current behavior does not qualify, regardless of how long it's been
> understood to be broken that way. Even if this behavior were adequately
> documented, which it isn't, it's extremely user-unfriendly to have no mean
> yes.
> 
> At this point I'm rather reticent to even bother submitting anything to
> the "security officer" role as Warner has indicated that he's part of that
> role and will speak out against it in the name of security. I'm not a
> member of the inner circle, just a long-time user who saw some confusing
> behavior and thought that there was an opportunity to fix it.
> 
I think you were quite right to, and I think you are right.
But you are fighting the forces of reaction here, in my view.
This whole thread has been a very depressing reflection on the
inability of any of the people arguing against you to make
any coherent argument against changing something to make sense.

This is just conservative status-quoism gone mad.

You are not alone in finding the current wording and behaviour
of this feature inconsistent, and initially incoherent.

Perhaps we are just too dumb.

-- 
Regards
Cliff



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