Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:14 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Things to remove from /rescue Message-ID: <20030721202314.GC21068@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20030721151553.jhb@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030719171138.GA86442@dragon.nuxi.com> <XFMail.20030721151553.jhb@FreeBSD.org>
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:53PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
>
> On 19-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 02:51:47PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> >>
> >> On 17-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:17:00AM -0700, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> >> >> whatever it is, certainly the purpose is not to show how good
> >> >> a sysadmin is in using a knife's blade as a screwdriver and a fork
> >> >> and a spoon. Heck, even swiss army knives have these extra
> >> >> tools.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think that if something in /rescue can make the task faster
> >> >> and less error prone, removing it to save 10-50k of disk space
> >> >> would be a big mistake.
> >> >
> >> > You must not have seen my other email that listed other things than just
> >> > disk space. If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does
> >> > ipfw do for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't?
> >>
> >> This doesn't handle ipfilter. You've conveniently ignored that point it
> >> seems.
> >
> > No, I have little ipfilter experience so I didn't speak to it. My
> > language explicitly mentioned ipfw so I assumed readers would understand
> > I was only addressing ipfw in that email.
>
> You've listed ipfilter tools such as ipnat, etc. on your list, so you
> have "spoken to it". Perhaps you shouldn't blindly remove tools if
> you don't know how they work?
You seem to have another email in mind than the one you've been replying
to. Please answer the question asked:
If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does ipfw do
for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't?
the reader should assume the user is using ipfw and not another packet
filter.
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-- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)
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