Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:37:10 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? Message-ID: <20190804093710.66948e68@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <87lfw9bxeb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802060356.eebda021.freebsd@edvax.de> <87tvaz8gkn.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802213025.884985d57dbfd7bf20ae4cd5@sohara.org> <87lfw9bxeb.fsf@toy.adminart.net>
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On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 02:13:32 +0200, hw wrote: >Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> writes: >> On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:20:40 +0200 hw <hw@adminart.net> wrote: >> >>> I'll still try Sylpheed ... It's been around for a while now, and >>> I'm curious. >> >> I've been happy with it for many years now. > >Well, it seemed pretty good, and I intend to use it instead of >Thunderbird or seamonkey. I'm not sure if it would be wise to make the >users switch over as well, though. But then, it might just be wise >because sylpheed might cause less trouble in the long run. Hi, that's a naive miscalculation. I dislike Mozilla projects for several reasons, but what makes you think that Sylpheed might cause less trouble in the long run? It might not cause trouble on FreeBSD yet, but it will in the short run, since on Linux it already does, as all GTK apps and especially GTK2 apps do. On Linux GTK2 apps tend to suffer from a mysterious "!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost" bug, that makes those apps crash constantly. Ubuntu 16.04, a very old long term support release doesn't suffer from it, but more recent releases of release model distros do and rolling releases such as Arch Linux do, too. Some projects have got a GTK2 and GTK3 port and you get rid of this issue, when compiling against GTK3. I don't know if Sylpheed has got a GTK3 port, but Claws has got, unfortunately it's "experimental", IOW broken in many ways. You also might have noticed that some Linux projects migrated from GTK to Qt. Btw. way closer to Thunderbird features is Evolution. Claws and Sylpheed are lightweight, but might miss features one or the other user might need. Evolution suffers from an icu issue, it doesn't work correctly anymore, as soon as compiled against icu 64 instead of icu < 64. If the only issue with Thunderbird should be translations, I strongly recommend to stay with Thunderbird. FWIW I'm using $ locale LANG=en_US.utf8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.utf8" LC_TIME="en_US.utf8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.utf8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.utf8" LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8" LC_NAME="en_US.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.utf8" LC_ALL= but I'm doing parallel usage of Englisch and German dictionaries for spell checking ant it's a PITA and only works properly by staying with a very old English dictionary, with newer dictionaries you get a lot of false positives regarding case sensitivity. Actually I migrated from Mozilla MUAs to Evolution years ago. I tested Kmail, but experienced way to many issues. After a while I installed Claws and Sylpheed, too, because I want to share POP accounts between old LTS releases and a rolling release. Due to Evolutions dependency chain against GNOME, it's impossible to maintain identical versions of Evolution for distros of "different ages", while it's easy to do for Claws. GTK2 issues: https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4203#c10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1808710 icu 64 issue: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/62317 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2019-August/msg00032.html Some of the projects that migrated from GTK to Qt: http://www.kernelshark.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE#Qt_port Regards, Ralf
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