Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:11:05 -0500 From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> To: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CFT: Very rough draft of PetiteCloud 0.2.4 (Linux as a host) Message-ID: <201402071411.05413.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXky%2BEmC=5_9JDXc5sJBoWHevJPuMswx=AFcpMXY1bRwuQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAGBxaXmLOV4Qf%2ByJcvjXWkhRUdja=BZ=YiOnxJ9brdSROp3F6g@mail.gmail.com> <5330814.Xk97r20mZI@ralph.baldwin.cx> <CAGBxaXky%2BEmC=5_9JDXc5sJBoWHevJPuMswx=AFcpMXY1bRwuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 7:55:06 pm Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:55:13 AM Michael Dexter wrote: > > > May I suggest you take this all to a personal blog? > > > > I agree. You can use a blog on petitecloud.org if you wish, but the purpose > > of this list is discussing virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports including > > jails/vimage, hypervisors (bhyve), and accelerated guest support (e.g. Xen HVM > > and Hyper-V drivers). An occasional note about petitecloud may be warranted, > > but the current volume is excessive. Also, this list is not suitable for use > > as a support forum for a commercial product. It is certainly appropriate for > > bug reports in the aforementioned list of topics (e.g. bhyve bugs or bhyve > > performance testing results) that may come out of "downstream" bug reports. > > 2. You seem to be under the impression that PetiteCloud is a > commercial product. It is in fact 100% Free Open Source (BSD license) and > Open Knowledge. Even derivative open source projects tend to provide their own fora for bug reports, etc. (see, for example, PC-BSD and pfSense). If a bug reported in their system is the result of a bug in FreeBSD then it ends up being logged as a FreeBSD issue as well, but the latter part is what occurs on FreeBSD lists. > 4. Currently the only available place to discuss cloud computing at > all on FreeBSD is -virtualization@. A -cloud@ list might make more sense if > there was one. We would strongly urge the creation of such a list, because > we consider FreeBSD to be, without question, the best operating system for > truly stable and robust cloud computing, and we would strongly encourage > the FreeBSD Foundation to emphasize this in its advocacy. In the meantime, > please note that PetiteCloud is not yet a full-fledged cloud platform, but > currently is little more than just a front end for various hypervisors > including bhyve (our preferred hypervisor I suspect that the your posts would be just as on or off-topic on cloud@ as they would be on virtualization. I do not think we need an extra mailing list at this time. > 5.. We would appreciate clarification on what kinds of announcements > are appropriate here. For example, we've been posting calls for testing of > new versions of PetiteCloud for almost five months with no objection from > anyone (except for an early question from Michael Dexter about how truly > open-source we were) until we added support for a non-FreeBSD host. May we > continue to post CFT's that contain FreeBSD-related issues (including > making sure we didn't break anything related to our FreeBSD support when > adding features required by other OS's). I think CFTs are fine for now. However, I think you should strive to setup your own lists for support and general petitecloud-specific discussion on petitecloud.org itself. This is the model that other projects built on FreeBSD use. > b. As soon the appropriate person at the FreeBSD foundation > contacts us, we will arrange to transfer freebsd-openstack.org to the > foundation, if the FreeBSD foundation desires to be in charge of such a > portal. We do want to keep editorial control until we can put a basic > content management system in place and populate it with some initial > content. You own this domain so you are free to do with it as you wish as far as I am concerned. If you wish to work with the Foundation you can e-mail their board to discuss that further. -- John Baldwin
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