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Date:      Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:56:56 -0800
From:      "George V. Neville-Neil" <gnn@neville-neil.com>
To:        Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>
Cc:        Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@flugsvamp.com>, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: funding TCP stack rewrite 
Message-ID:  <200111301756.JAA2847316@meer.meer.net>
In-Reply-To: Message from Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>  of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:27:04 MST." <Pine.BSF.4.10.10111301012590.7584-100000@measurement-factory.com> 

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> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jonathan Lemon wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:01:21AM -0600, mark tinguely wrote:
> > > Too bad there are not companies throwing money around to fund a good
> > > rewrite...of course there is some competative advatange to do so only
> > > for themselves.
> >
> > Anyone want to fund a network hacker to do all of these?  Seriously?  :-(

There are people doing this, for themselves.  But it's not a rewrite, it's 
porting.

There are well known recent failures (not specifically on FreeBSD but
of rewrites of network stacks to achieve more modern ends).  Nortel's
Open IP comes immediately to mind.

> What kind of sum of money are we talking about here? Can you estimate
> what hacker/month effort is required? Would it make sense to setup a
> [paypal] fund of some kind, hosted on freebsd.org to raise the
> required sum? That way small companies and even individuals can
> contribute even if the total is more than they can afford...
> 

There is a more important question to be answered:

What is the exact set of goals to be achieved by the rewrite?

Many people/companies forget this and end in a muddle.  I'm a big
fan of rewriting/reworking the BSD stack because I've seen it
pushed to its very edges and know the difficulties but unless
there is a strong goal that can be stuck to the effort is doomed from
the start.

> Will the dedicated work of the said guru get a high priority as far as
> review and commit steps are concerned? A public semi-formal commitment
> or encouragement from FreeBSD core group may be in order to raise
> support from the community. Otherwise, folks may worry that these big
> changes, once implemented, will get stuck in the commit queue forever.

What we need is a sub-project here.

Later,
George




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