Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:56:09 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <cy@freebsd.org> To: Franco Fichtner <franco@opnsense.org> Cc: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base Message-ID: <201904301256.x3UCu9TJ006795@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Franco Fichtner <franco@opnsense.org> of "Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:32:29 %2B0200." <7B9F9F37-9DCB-4B9D-BEF1-8C3092331DD0@opnsense.org>
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In message <7B9F9F37-9DCB-4B9D-BEF1-8C3092331DD0@opnsense.org>, Franco Fichtner writes: > > > > On 30. Apr 2019, at 2:25 AM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote: > > > > As for updating, freebsd-update is mostly there to accomplish your requirem > ent without pkgbase. Which begs the question, if we're simply replacing free > bsd-update and it does most of what we want why the extra effort? Unless we w > ant to solve more than just this problem? Which BTW I think we do. > > There's hbsd-update, pfSense-upgrade and opnsense-update precisely > because pkgbase was pulled ever since it's first ETA in 11.0 and > the subsequent non-delivery. freebsd-update is not the answer. > > Speaking for opnsense-update[1] specifically it's a shell script > with a bit of bloat for handling package updates as normal and > otherwise use base.txz and kernel.txz and arbitrary signatures > in pkg (built upon the idea of pkg.txz.sig) to verify their signature > directly linked to the fingerprints of the pkg repo used -- all well > under 1000 LOC counting whitespaces for readability and battle- > proven since 2015. > > My point is simply this: > > The sole focus on "the" pkgbase that will solve all issues and the > unwillingness to cooperate on "pkgbase" at the same time has made the > situation much much worse than it should have been for FreeBSD users > and blocked the road for other types of improvements in the update > area for a number of years now. The purpose of pkgbase is to bring us into the 20th century. > > It's time to step up > Ahh. I've been told. I have plenty of FreeBSD projects on the go. Yet another project will mean a more thinly spread out me and nothing will get done. I've already stepped up to the plate -- on many fronts. > instead of further dividing the topic so I > want to thank Kris for his effort very much. P.S. It doesn't help attacking someone already contributing to FreeBSD. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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