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Date:      Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:26:27 +0100
From:      Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>
To:        "Chris Fox (Excell Data Corporation)" <a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com>
Cc:        jfm@blueyonder.co.uk, newbies@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: BSD or Linux?
Message-ID:  <20021223012627.GC42622@freepuppy.bellavista.cz>
In-Reply-To: <0A0B36F65A314D4AB8D2CF1D1FD835F1014058EA@df-muttley.dogfood>
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    [fixed quoting]

# a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com / 2002-12-22 17:11:18 -0800:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Murphy [mailto:jfm@blueyonder.co.uk] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:56 PM
> To: newbies@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: BSD or Linux?
> 
> >Yup.  I've never tried a Linux variant myself; sometimes tempted but...
> >I've just 'looked at' a friends win2k PC which was _very_ unstable.
> >Trying to get some low level access to it was a nightmare, as is trying
> >to explain to someone how to do any kind of configuration to a Microsoft
> >OS via email "Left click Start..."
> 
> Huh?  Windows2000 unstable?  I don't think I've ever heard that from
> anyone except maybe some kiddie on slashdot.  W2K is extremely stable

    yeah. I actually wanted to say something along that lines. it's
    [in]definitely more stable than the disaster called Windows XP, from
    what I've seen. :)

> and is more so than most versions of Linux I've used.

    can't comment on this one.

> It's also a lot easier to administer.  Anyone who told you to "click"
> on something to administer in Windows is someone who probably rides a
> bicycle with the training wheels on it.  I do Linux, BSD, and Windows
> and while I prefer the unices for anything network-related, and while
> I don't gloss over Windows' real weaknesses of MS' business practices,
> I won't sit back and let this go unremarked: Windows is *way* easier
> to administer than any version of UNIX, and that includes RedHat and
> Mandrake Linux.

    in what respect is it easier to administer?
 
> The barriers to entry in Windows are trivial; the barriers to entry in
> UNIX are quite high.  Try getting anything done in BSD without knowing
> some UNIX editor, and try learning that editor with any expectation that
> anything else you know helps.  It doesn't.  It's deliberately
> inscrutable and that does not help get more people using UNIX.

    well, the default editor in FreeBSD is IIRC ee(1), and that's as
    easy (and as frustrating) as Notepad.
 
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