Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman <green@unixhelp.org> To: Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net> Cc: Bill Huey <billh@mag.ucsd.edu>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High syscall overhead? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906131213330.27463-100000@janus.syracuse.net> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906131153040.567-100000@picnic.mat.net>
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On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Chuck Robey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Bill Huey wrote:
>
> > Well, so far I've heard alot of BS about Linux that isn't exactly true
> > and much of it seems like a bunch of artificial problems that hold
> > against the Linux folks. Most of it is just intentionally misrepresented
> > bullshit.
>
> That is totally wrong, Bill. We have a public mail archive, so if you
> don't like to believe me, go check our archive. YOU have been the only
> source of either Linux or FreeBSD bashing. We have a pretty pleasing
> assortment of grownups here, who have gone past the point of needing to
> claim "my ball is better than your ball".
Exactly. Do you have references?
>
> One of my own personal complaints about the Linux groups is that they
> seem to grow the kind of people who need to disparage in order to feel
> good. This might be because my only exposure to Linux persons is via
> Usenet, which is immersed in that teenage-type philosophy. I don't know
> of any Linux mailing lists of the order of the FreeBSD lists.
The Linux-kernel mailing list seems to be closer to -hackers.
>
> We don't need that approach here, it doesn't increase knowledge,
> and only hurts feelings. If you follow up on this thread, please DROP
> all Linux/FreeBSD comparisons of that order. We all know that both
> Linux AND FreeBSD are fine unixes, and we don't need bashing here.
Linux is a Unix clone, while FreeBSD is Unix. Don't confuse people with
this.
>
> This list does occaisonally have some comparisons, Linux vs. FreeBSD,
> but if it isn't kept strictly technical, and non-accusatory, we don't
> want it or need it.
>
> I have seen people in the past that were honestly surprised at the huge
> difference between Usenet newsgroup rules, and our FreeBSD list rules.
> If you actually fit in that category, maybe you should "lurk" these
> lists for a while, so you can see the difference, and not find yourself
> outside of our lists normal behaviour.
The noise to content ratio is MUCH higher on Usenet, and probably will
always be.
>
> >
> > I came on this list initially to just check was the FreeBSD community
> > was like, but what I've gotten since is alot of ego and hostility
> > toward things that aren't completely FreeBSD. That's something that
> > I didn't expect and reading this list has given me a particular
> > negative view of FreeBSD that wasn't present before.
>
> People don't like your need to compare, in order to make one group seem
> better or worse than another. You need to find some other way to get
> your point across.
>
> >
> > In-fighting with the current NFS maintainer and general rudeness to other
> > potential devs make FreeBSD's kernel people look like bunch of dorks whether
> > you like it or not.
Don't confuse fighting with "not sweeping issues under the carpet."
> >
> > I'm also not big enough asshole ot put someone on a "kill-list" and is just
> > a reflection of a kind of conservative need to dehumanize other folks
> > so that your selfish comfort is "preserved".
>
> Profanity is also one of the things not accepted here.
Damn straight! Sorry, couldn't resist. Profanity isn't that unacceptable,
if appropriate (sometimes it is..), but personal attacks ARE.
>
> >
> > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC
> >
> > bill
> >
> >
> >
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