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Date:      Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:27:07 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl>
Cc:        svn-src-projects@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Garrett Cooper <ngie@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r275219 - projects/building-blocks/share/skel
Message-ID:  <F4BC85AD-B1B0-477C-AA34-5FE67C7D173A@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20141130202521.GA1103@stack.nl>
References:  <201411282207.sASM7Gq7055794@svn.freebsd.org> <20141130202521.GA1103@stack.nl>

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On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:25, Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:07:16PM +0000, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>> Author: ngie
>> Date: Fri Nov 28 22:07:16 2014
>> New Revision: 275219
>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/275219
> 
>> Log:
>>  Install skeleton files based on the values of MK_MAIL and MK_TCSH
> 
>>  Customize according to MK_GAMES and MK_VI, in particular comment out lines
>>  that would change behavior
> 
>>  Change dot.cshrc and dot.profile to not check for /usr/games/fortune based
>>  on the new behavior in customizing the files
> 
> Hmm, this assumes a rather specific use case: selecting a particular
> combination of options, building everything and installing everything
> what was built.
> 
> In particular, the run-time check for /usr/games/fortune was there
> because a user might not install /usr/games, even though it was part of
> the built release. With "packaged base", this possibility will remain
> important.

Good point.

What triggered this commit was something I noticed when I fixed “MK_VI == no” to delete vi in base, which in turn breaks the default dot files, i.e. 'export EDITOR=vi’. MK_VI == no doesn’t install vi with installworld, but it doesn’t clean it up on head if you run make delete-old either, so this issue wasn’t apparent until I started this work (and I guess no one complained about the MK_VI == no case before now). To err on the safe side, I can add a `if [ -x /usr/bin/vi ]; then ; fi` around the export EDITOR line if you like — however many other OS distros (Fedora Linux, IllumOS, Ubuntu Linux, etc) don’t ship with defaults — is this something we should do as well?

vi is also implicitly required for the build when building some files in share/termcap, as the build calls ex on the files, but that’s a sidenote.

> Also, dotfiles might be shared between systems by users.

Yes, but shouldn’t the person customizing the system know what files are being distributed?

> This is an objection against customizing dot.* file contents depending
> on options, not against conditionally installing dot.* files.

Ok. Something else that needs to be discussed is /usr/games being in $PATH and a few other things, because this could slow down path lookups, even if it’s a small amount (I realize the namei cache is supposed to make this less noticeable, but every little bit counts IMHO).

Thanks for the input :)!

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