Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 11:46:59 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> Cc: ml@netfence.it, FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <CANCZdfpah0_AyVkREg2rYOwGZzsdJFE=wALMHs_p_%2B1wFUefjg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20181008170345.GA9766@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <20181004084411.GA50348@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfpFXs_Ed-gMZnnSs2eAxYh8hdwr-6dh9rpUUPbZXO0hWA@mail.gmail.com> <6ff05cab-24a1-d18a-df21-6c51a5c33b3e@netfence.it> <20181008170345.GA9766@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:03 AM Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 11:25:48AM +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > On 10/4/18 3:07 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > At the root of this problem is the community's long resistance to > having > > > data reported back to the project data about the machines running > FreeBSD. > > > Absent any real and significant data, the only way to know if things > are > > > unused is to ask. We cannot have the act of merely asking cause people > to > > > freak out and hurl expletives all over the place. That's significantly > not > > > cool. > > > > First off, I absolutely don't want to flame: I'm glad you asked and I > > was happy to answer. > > > > Just out of curiosity, don't we have sysutils/bsdstats (which I install > > on all the boxes I manage, but I understand won't be present in most > > embedded systems)? > > Is that project such a failure? > > If so, should it be better promoted or would it be pointless? > > In theory it would provide valuable data, but in practice the website is > broken and unable to produce device data. I've asked multiple times for > it to be fixed. It would be great if it worked and we could use it. > There's also a few problems with using the data that's there for what we want to do with it. Warner
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