Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:34:35 -0600 From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> To: "Cliff Sarginson" <cliff@raggedclown.net>, <stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <006b01c1a800$86ff28e0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20020127220923.B1494@shell.gsinet.sittig.org> <20020127134511.Q81780-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020128064925.GA1180@raggedclown.net>
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All right -- it is time ..... Hitler. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Sarginson" <cliff@raggedclown.net> To: <stable@freebsd.org> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness > On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 02:50:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > Really, I'm just arguing for doing something that makes sense, and the > > current behavior does not qualify, regardless of how long it's been > > understood to be broken that way. Even if this behavior were adequately > > documented, which it isn't, it's extremely user-unfriendly to have no mean > > yes. > > > > At this point I'm rather reticent to even bother submitting anything to > > the "security officer" role as Warner has indicated that he's part of that > > role and will speak out against it in the name of security. I'm not a > > member of the inner circle, just a long-time user who saw some confusing > > behavior and thought that there was an opportunity to fix it. > > > I think you were quite right to, and I think you are right. > But you are fighting the forces of reaction here, in my view. > This whole thread has been a very depressing reflection on the > inability of any of the people arguing against you to make > any coherent argument against changing something to make sense. > > This is just conservative status-quoism gone mad. > > You are not alone in finding the current wording and behaviour > of this feature inconsistent, and initially incoherent. > > Perhaps we are just too dumb. > > -- > Regards > Cliff > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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