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Date:      Sun, 3 May 1998 00:39:37 -0600 (MDT)
From:      Marc Slemko <marcs@znep.com>
To:        David Greenman <dg@root.com>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ftp.freebsd.org acting funny? 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.95.980503003430.1230A-100000@alive.znep.com>
In-Reply-To: <199805021341.GAA22661@implode.root.com>

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On Sat, 2 May 1998, David Greenman wrote:

> >On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 05:10:32PM -0700, David Greenman wrote:
> >>    I said:
> >> 
> >> >a much smaller set. -C would be the default in any case, and -F will be
> >> >ignored.
> >> 
> >>    Oops, actually -C is not the default of course and it will also be
> >> ignored.
> >>    I now know why the problem is occuring with ncftp and it has to do with
> >> it not conforming to the RFC regarding the NLST command. I don't think I'm
> >> going to work around that.
> >
> >A large fraction of Unix people use ncftp2.  I'd hope you would
> >reconsider - or if not, at least add a warning and a suggestion for
> >another useable commandline FTP client to the login message.  I've not
> >yet seen another usable commandline FTP for Unix :-(
> 
>    ncftp and ncftp2 work fine. What is broken is that people expect that
> passing arguments to the "ls" command will be interpreted on the other
> end when the RFC specifically says otherwise. RFC 959 is quite specific
> about the behavior of the NLST command (which is what 'ls' does in ncftp):

Except that just issuing a "ls" in at least some versions of ncftp2
_doesn't_ work. 

marcs@valis:~$ ncftp2 ftp.freebsd.org
NcFTP 2.4.2 (October 28, 1996), by Mike Gleason, NCEMRSoft.
[...]
Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
freebsd:/> ls
-CF: No such file or directory.

There may be some option to stop it from sending that, but...

So yes, they do work fine for some definitions of fine and you can just
use dir, but... 

Yes, I sympathize with the pain of broken clients.


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