Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:40 -0700 From: "Drew Tomlinson" <drew@mykitchentable.net> To: <peter.lai@uconn.edu> Cc: "Julian Elischer" <julian@elischer.org>, <security@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 Message-ID: <006f01c1ed5b$5d8ea1c0$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0204251925130.44982-100000@InterJet.elischer.org> <002d01c1ed3d$32272a20$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> <20020426143245.A89608@cowbert.2y.net>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter C. Lai" <sirmoo@cowbert.2y.net> To: "Drew Tomlinson" <drew@mykitchentable.net> Cc: "Julian Elischer" <julian@elischer.org>; <security@freebsd.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 > I hope we don't bring up the whole binary patch subject again but > in case you aren't trying to be facetious, I would have to state that > 4.4 -> 4.5 is a point release and therefore may be a significant change. > Just look at how long it takes to run mergemaster when > going from 4.4 -> 4.5 and 4.5 -> 4.5. Actually moving from 4.1.1 -> 4.5 > is a pretty huge jump too but if you only rebuild world every couple of > years for production machines you only have 1 major downtime period instead > of many potential ones. > > A point release can change many things. For example, 4.0 -> 4.1.1? > changed the way passwords were stored and look at how many issues > people had with that. > > If patching didn't require rebuilding a large portion of the system, > then "patch" may be appropriate, but to production level machines, > current patching methods are effectively system upgrades, at least > with FreeBSD. At least we aren't talking PHP 4.1 -> 4.2 here :) Good points. I didn't realize so much might change between point versions. Thanks, Drew > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:12:42AM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julian Elischer" <julian@elischer.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:32 PM > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > We will be moving those on 4.1.1 to 4.4 so that they are all at the > > same > > > level, but we cannot move them up to 4.5 or 4.8 or whatever for > > > at least another 18 months as they don't upgrade production systems > > more > > > than once on 2 years in general. > > > > Instead of calling it an "upgrade", call it a system "patch". It just > > so happens that the RELENG_4_5 "patch" will ensure that the OS is up to > > date on security issues and more! :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Drew > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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