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Date:      Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:46:02 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r362422 - head/sbin/dump
Message-ID:  <93ca6b8e4c1f8a76ea6ad602591dcd2e39c2d89c.camel@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqxwsShpXiDhdZV3t_Za4AKJNpGdy_1Pf1szd1Y8TFwTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <202006201110.05KBAZBU099451@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> <CANCZdfqxwsShpXiDhdZV3t_Za4AKJNpGdy_1Pf1szd1Y8TFwTQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 07:57 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:27 AM Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 2020-06-20 13:10, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > Author: imp
> > > > Date: Sat Jun 20 04:19:17 2020
> > > > New Revision: 362422
> > > > URL:https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/362422
> > > > 
> > > > Log:
> > > >    Increase the whimsy in this file by famring dump's work out to
> > 
> > minions. Adjust
> > > >    variables accordingly. Thankfully, we are able to do this without
> > 
> > additional
> > > >    banana expenditures.
> > > 
> > > This flys in the face of its intent and as a "commit" is more
> > > racially biased than the code was!
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Warner,
> > 
> > Maybe a stupid question, but is this the correct meaning or description
> > of minion?
> > 
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=minions
> > 
> > minion; plural noun: minions
> > 
> >      a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile
> > or unimportant one.
> >      "he gets oppressed minions like me to fob them off"
> > 
> > "Minion" is still a person, like "slave" is, so I must say I agree with
> > Rodney about this, I don't see how this makes it any better? Can you
> > explain?
> > 
> 
> For me, Minions come from the Despicable Me movies and sequels. They work
> for Gru, who pays them for their services. They love Bananas and often do
> crazy things for a banana. They work for Gru willingly. They are free to
> leave at any time. They are sad at the prospect of Gru having to lay them
> off.
> 
> Minions are also, as you point out, employed by the powerful to accomplish
> things. Key word here is 'employed'. Servile doesn't mean 'involuntary
> servitude' but rather 'an excessive willingness to please.' Underling means
> only that them are below them on the org chart. There's no inherent
> implication of an abusive relationship, per se, though that happens as in
> any power relationship between people.
> 
> And the extensive searching I did before the commit showed no complaints
> about the movies, or that this term had some coded, racist history. Or any
> other coded history that's problematic. Or any overt history for that
> matter.
> 
> SaltStack uses it as their name for agents that carry out tasks, for
> example.
> 
> So what am I missing?
> 

Common sense, apparently.

-- Ian





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