Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 10:35:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com> Cc: "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 Message-ID: <CANCZdfrGA=F_C5FLXZWw=vTfvWMucHk5dmzCDGNF3SK%2BjGm_Jw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAJ5_RoBTHy17x1afEMnzQE6CA6e3nitoWpHRKazryM16hXckLw@mail.gmail.com> References: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> <e4311612-d1c4-b118-187b-7086945a312d@FreeBSD.org> <18a87d6d-14af-ef9d-80ff-403039e36692@cs.duke.edu> <CAPrugNomum%2BDO7M3GET3y0DrFse7jy1PmSUwnXGU5Sm6DXRrVg@mail.gmail.com> <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> <CAH7qZfsbGheNqnwNmkP5jYiE=FXzc65yZSBoX_mM%2BuNce9rhyQ@mail.gmail.com> <05C5BD86-70D0-4B02-AC29-36E68B3602AE@FreeBSD.org> <CAH7qZfs6CGVjRK4jvRaVJ6aDoanxgSmwjiS34zn7gFYNdhKYSg@mail.gmail.com> <1A6567CD-5BE8-4E80-A262-00ADB75CF35A@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfpv17YcQVSFJbZgo%2BWnuj6BfX6TCBam3U=0hwv99OAZcg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ5_RoBTHy17x1afEMnzQE6CA6e3nitoWpHRKazryM16hXckLw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Benjamin Kaduk <bjkfbsd@gmail.com> wrote: > So, when do we get to reprise this thread on -arch instead of svn-src-head? > I'm thinking sometime in July or August when I plan on submitting a draft for a FCP for formalized deprecation for drivers (and another for arch) to the community for discussion, revision, etc. It's long overdue and we've let things slide too long. I'm planning two different docs because the evaluation process different enough for the two cases to warrant separate docs, I think. However, one of the primary criteria is missing for i386: it's still widely used and well supported. Any talk about i386 going away anytime soon is simply a non-starter. There's simply no consensus for it being gone in 12, and I doubt such consensus will form for 13 (though it will be easier if we write down the past traditional methods that have worked in part and failed in part). I doubt we'll rehash this thread there before we get closer to the 13 branch point, if we do it then. Honestly, there's a lot of other deadwood that needs to be cleaned up first, and talk of i386 is a distraction to that. And no, that's not an invitation to post examples. Let's get the criteria in place, then use that with examples people come up with then. Otherwise, it will be another 40 messages about how aha has outlived its usefulness that nobody does anything about (yes, I chose aha because I removed it earlier in the year: sometimes people give examples that are not well informed). Warner
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