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Date:      Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:17:21 +0100
From:      michael.osipov@siemens.com
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Dragonfly Mail Agent (dma) in the base system
Message-ID:  <e6a7525c-b99b-4b17-9102-07597d3ce71f@siemens.com>
In-Reply-To: <202202062216.216MGQgQ005757@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net>
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Am 2022-02-06 um 23:16 schrieb Jamie Landeg-Jones:
> Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote:
> 
>> In message <202202061553.216Fr0Yt071775@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net>,
>> Jamie La
>> ndeg-Jones writes:
>>> Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> dma doesn't support SMTP submission, we may need to review various port
>>>> default options or whether ports even support it.
>>>
>>> Good catch.
>>
>> You misquoted me. Read my email again!
> 
> Sorry, I read it again, but it still looks to me as "some ports only work via
> SMTP submission, so they will need to be looked at."
> 
> I suggested an alternative of instead, "emulating" the SMTP submission
> functionality (but maybe in a better way that my suggested hack, though)
> 
> After all, it isn't just ports - there could be other third party stuff
> that only works via submission too.

It is not that easy just too look at ports. I give you three examples 
from work:

1. Zabbix (network monitoring), suppports only SMTP, although PHP 
supports sendmail(8)
2. JavaMail Transport implementation exists only for SMTP, I was not 
able to find any transport implementation for sendmail(8). Maybe I will 
write one for fun.
3. Python mail package supports SMTP only, no other package available, 
at least AFAIK.

Unless ecosystems provide impls for sendmail(8) I see it very hard to 
live without localhost:25 for many cases.

Michael



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