Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:12:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> Cc: Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r362422 - head/sbin/dump Message-ID: <CANCZdfq7qTQ8APYX8HHJQtz7CUDR4zzFE7_Spg-a_Op%2BKVeUFw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <93ca6b8e4c1f8a76ea6ad602591dcd2e39c2d89c.camel@freebsd.org> References: <202006201110.05KBAZBU099451@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <3bab2cbf-c221-7d18-5257-2d3971975558@selasky.org> <CANCZdfqxwsShpXiDhdZV3t_Za4AKJNpGdy_1Pf1szd1Y8TFwTQ@mail.gmail.com> <93ca6b8e4c1f8a76ea6ad602591dcd2e39c2d89c.camel@freebsd.org>
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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 07:57 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:27 AM Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org> > wrote: > > > > > On 2020-06-20 13:10, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > Author: imp > > > > > Date: Sat Jun 20 04:19:17 2020 > > > > > New Revision: 362422 > > > > > URL:https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/362422 > > > > > > > > > > Log: > > > > > Increase the whimsy in this file by famring dump's work out to > > > > > > minions. Adjust > > > > > variables accordingly. Thankfully, we are able to do this > without > > > > > > additional > > > > > banana expenditures. > > > > > > > > This flys in the face of its intent and as a "commit" is more > > > > racially biased than the code was! > > > > > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > > > Maybe a stupid question, but is this the correct meaning or description > > > of minion? > > > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=minions > > > > > > minion; plural noun: minions > > > > > > a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile > > > or unimportant one. > > > "he gets oppressed minions like me to fob them off" > > > > > > "Minion" is still a person, like "slave" is, so I must say I agree with > > > Rodney about this, I don't see how this makes it any better? Can you > > > explain? > > > > > > > For me, Minions come from the Despicable Me movies and sequels. They work > > for Gru, who pays them for their services. They love Bananas and often do > > crazy things for a banana. They work for Gru willingly. They are free to > > leave at any time. They are sad at the prospect of Gru having to lay them > > off. > > > > Minions are also, as you point out, employed by the powerful to > accomplish > > things. Key word here is 'employed'. Servile doesn't mean 'involuntary > > servitude' but rather 'an excessive willingness to please.' Underling > means > > only that them are below them on the org chart. There's no inherent > > implication of an abusive relationship, per se, though that happens as in > > any power relationship between people. > > > > And the extensive searching I did before the commit showed no complaints > > about the movies, or that this term had some coded, racist history. Or > any > > other coded history that's problematic. Or any overt history for that > > matter. > > > > SaltStack uses it as their name for agents that carry out tasks, for > > example. > > > > So what am I missing? > > > > Common sense, apparently > Not helpful. However, I've had a couple other, private email messages that were helpful and gave the context I was missing. I've reverted. Warner
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