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Date:      Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:42:22 -0700
From:      Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>
To:        David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>
Cc:        Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Bad IDE Drive
Message-ID:  <20001009214222.C20674@tao.thought.org>
In-Reply-To: <200010100350.e9A3o9S04888@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:50:09PM -0500
References:  <kline@thought.org> <200010100350.e9A3o9S04888@nospam.hiwaay.net>

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On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:50:09PM -0500, David Kelly wrote:
> Gary Kline writes:
> > On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:40:13PM -0400, Robert wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 	I used to own a Compaq Proliant 800/850 (one of them) with an
> > > internal
> > > RAID 5 array with about 4 8gb Seagate Baracude(SCSI UW).  I had two of the
> > > drives fail on me after about 4 years, due to heat and just the
> > > fact that we plain ran them into the ground.  I have a feeling that these
> > > new IDE drives, much like some old SCSI drives, have problems with
> > > inadequate ventilation.  Most of these new 7200 rpm drives (IDE) run VERY
> > > hot and most people do not provide proper cooling for their computers.  I
> > > recommend to anyone who wants to extend the life of their ide
> > > drives to purchase the "drive cooler" product from Antec.  Not only do
> > > they cool the drives down they have a protective dust shield where the
> > > fans are so you dont contribute to dirtying the components.  
> > 
> > 
> > 	Can you explain more about these drive-coolers?  URL's or
> > 	whatever would help.
> 
> Don't sweat the drive cooler stuff just yet. Go to Radio Shack, 
> Walmart, K-Mart, etc, and purchase an indoor/outdoor digital 
> thermometer, preferably one with a max/min function. $15 to $25. Mount 
> the outdoor probe on your HD. Then decide for yourself if the HD is too 
> hot. I have lots of fans, an extra blowing out, an extra blowing on the 
> HD. And the result is my FH 3.5" IBM SCSI 9G HD is running 15 degrees F 
> over room temperature. Currenlty its 94F on the HD.
> 
> Without digging up manufacturer's specs about 115F to 120F is where I'd 
> start getting really worried.
> 

	Well, right now I'm not sweating anything.  I have (and have had)
	extra fans in both my FBSD homebrew boxes.  The e-machines had only
	one IDE and should be fine.  

	But when I replace _this_ system with a new one, will it be okay
	with two extra devices crammed in?  Good idea about the i/o
	thermometer, thanks.   (I'm still buying more fans, whatever the
	temp reads... .)

	gary

	PS:  My ancient Fujitsu got so hot that I couldn't touch it...
	     
> 

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   Gary D. Kline         kline@tao.thought.org          Public service Unix



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