Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:28:04 +0200 From: Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> To: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool Message-ID: <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <CAOFF%2BZ1MOr9-rYbwHYWqBKjMvRPwUnew4jThEoJ_WkoTmwyNsQ@mail.gmail.com> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <CAF-3MvNBWSEWF-HarwF0xcXQgo=7-dO%2BtvLMO1maELPY0RVhQQ@mail.gmail.com> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg>
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Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > On 02.09.14 18:40, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> Time to rebuild everything from scratch I think - second time in a >> year.. I'm guessing my boss is going to tell me, use RPM, no wasting >> more time on it... only time will tell... you'll know the result if >> you see future posts and patches from me. > > You must really hate RPM, as pkg is trying to do essentially the same > for FreeBSD. :) You have no idea.... well you might, but not my level of hatred of it. > > > As others already mentioned, rebuilding production > environments/packages via cron jobs from moving target such as the > current ports three is not the best setup favoring 'stability'. I trigger a build when I need something (patch/new package etc) ... then it will continue trying to build until it gets a stable build across the entire tree... sometimes that takes weeks (and I only have 580 ports) > These things can and do fail sometimes. From your postings on this > thread I understand you are unhappy that your pkg_tools poudriere > jails were messed up. So are many others. > You see this is a problem... Change something in the core that screws over a working environment....not the way of an enterprise capable OS - reminds me of the pre v1.0 days of linux. > The switch is indeed a pain, but the direction is good. Progress is > part of evolution -- it knocks off some, and promotes others. Didn't say it wasn't good, what I'm saying was the way it was done is bad. > We will have to live with it. WhateverHat is not better. I can't comment on that - the entire org runs *Hat, I've spent the last 3 years showing the benefits of *BSD and now I feel completely betrayed because there is no chance of them changing, "You see it's not an Enterprise OS"... -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/
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