Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 04:00:09 +0200 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: hw <hw@adminart.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? Message-ID: <20190803040009.291039df.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <877e7v9wts.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <23873.2939.410268.920612@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20190731225154.82dcb0ae.freebsd@edvax.de> <87h8705waf.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802050200.dd286e57.freebsd@edvax.de> <877e7v9wts.fsf@toy.adminart.net>
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:44:15 +0200, hw wrote: > Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> writes: > > > On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 00:57:12 +0200, hw wrote: > >> Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> writes: > > > [...] > >> Changing Firefox wasn't a problem, other than that I wish I could do > >> that site-wide for all users rather than having to do it for each user. > >> Why don't these programs just honor the language settings of the > >> environment? > > > > Yes, that is really a problem, because so many other programs do > > it the right way; even temporary invocation in a different language > > is not a problem for "old" programs. For example, if you set a > > system-wide variable that applies to all users, that language > > variable should be honored. I see multi-language support as a > > great feature especially in FreeBSD, where I can use programs > > in the language I prefer, and that might be vary among the > > programs running in one session (for example, Sylpheed uses the > > english language, while LibreOffice uses the german one). > > Libreoffice seems to be bad as well because you have to go into the > settings and change it before you get the language you have already set. I don't remember that I did something like that. Maybe because I installed "de-libreoffice" explicitely? > I usually don't notice whether it's English or German, but the users > will freak out as if it would make a difference (which it doesn't > because they don't know what they're doing anyway). Same here. I prefer the english interface language because the german translation often is incomplete (english menu items among german ones) or wrong or missing (especially regarding error messages). The only programs I really _want_ to be in German are LibreOffice and Firefox (for reference). > This kinda reminds me of Gnome with which it is impossible to even add a > program starter. Oh, don't get me started with my hate-journey across Gnome. While Gnome first was superior to KDE language-wise, it later became more and more complicated: Not reading .xinitrc or .xsession, so forcing you to manually add "autostart programs", and mount/umount (and eject for optical units) didn't work at all, even though I followed the existing documentation, but finally I had to hack the umount binary (!)... And GDM's inability to launch anything than a Gnome session, and then came Gnome 3 which was so unusable that I switched the systems that ran Gnome for many years to Mate. That's the end of my personal Gnome story. :-) > It's already entirely useless because it doesn't even > have a usable window manager, but who would expect that you can't do > something basic like adding a start button or a menu entry. I had to > switch a machine ever to KDE because of that. Would you say KDE is usable again for "german novice users"? I haven't tried KDE for some time because of bloat... > There's just nothing better than fvwm ... On my laptop I'm using IceWM (with "metal2" style which finally includes a BSD start button, but at the top, where it belongs to) again, combined with wbar and a Mac background image for a "good look". ;-) On my home system, I found nothing better than a highly customized WIndowMaker with xdm. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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