Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:53:59 +0100 From: Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@digiware.nl> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, karels@freebsd.org Subject: Re: making SW_WATCHDOG dynamic Message-ID: <d1f498c6-6433-d7ee-45ed-288240c7f169@digiware.nl> In-Reply-To: <20171228022301.GA30039@lonesome.com> References: <201712261425.vBQEPMmQ007578@mail.karels.net> <201712271811.vBRIBqOK061996@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20171228022301.GA30039@lonesome.com>
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On 28/12/2017 03:23, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:11:52AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> I think we have lost some light as to what the GENERIC kernel >> is really for, to get you up and running good enough that you >> can infact build a custom kernel. I do not think it was ever >> intended that people run this long term, though over the years >> that has become the defacto standard. IMHO, a bad one at that. > > By including more things in GENERIC, we expanded our audience past > "kernel developers + system administrators". > > In particular, including "people using desktops and laptops who just > want to get work done". > > Expecting everyone to recompile their kernels would be a shocking > step backwards for the project IMVHO. I've been building custom kernels for as long as I can remember. And it used to be like you describe, get the box running and give it its own build-config. But as the number of systems under my fingers grew, maintenance became more and more a pain/time-consuming. And since about a year I've started using freebsd-update on those systems that need proper maintenance. And I cannot avoid the feeling that this is sort of perpendicular to your suggestion of building custom kernels, since freebsd-update frowns on that... And I've got the feeling that's the tool quite a lot of people use to deal with basic Freebsd maintenance stuff. --WjW
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