Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:20 -0400 From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: 'Chet Hosey' <chosey@nidhog.com>, Brian <wrath@shianet.org> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F94@mailman.thenap.com>
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Still don't catch the meaning? You're saying that somehow i'm inept
to system security because my workstation is running on Windows? for no
other reason than I have to use exchange to communicate with the rest of my
workplace as a policy? I guess you certainly proved your point. I should
shutup because obviously (since I use a windows machine for my workstation)
I cannot possible have any idea what I talking about. I sure am glad you're
around to put me in my place there big fella.
Thanks again!
-Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Chet Hosey [mailto:chosey@nidhog.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:34 PM
To: Brian
Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named Keep crashing)
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From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com>
I _thought_ something was amiss . . . anyone know of any UNIX-based MTAs
which call themselves "Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)"?
How about Windows-based ones? :)
________________________________________________________________________
Chet Hosey
<chosey@nidhog.com>
________________________________________________________________________
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Brian wrote:
> RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)<flame>
> HTML sucks
> </endflame>
>
> Hey, that's a great idea. But how are you going to tell them about that
> service? Security via obscurity? Yeah, that's like leaving your family
> photo album open on your desk and expecting no one to look at them because
> you didn't tell the people that the pictures were on your desk.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, a machine on the _internet_ is fair game. By
being
> fair, I ask that someone can look. They can look, but by no means can
they
> try to breach security. Otherwise, why the hell are you on the internet?
>
> I have a funny feeling you use Windows, and as a 32bit Windows advocate
I'm
> beginning to wonder. I have another feeling that I now know why Windows
> gets a bad rap. If you do use Windows, I suggest you go hunting through
> Microsoft's pages and ntsecurity.net.
>
>
> One of my friends once said that you should be sanctioned bandwidth by the
> amount of intelligence you have. In other words, stupid people sit on 56k
> modems. I take it one step further, people who can't secure their
machines
> shouldn't be given static IP addresses. In other words, if you've got an
> NT4 machine and still sit on Service Pack 3, you should be banned to DHCP
> with no lease for the rest of your life.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drew J. Weaver
> To: 'Robert Hough' ; FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM
> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)
>
> Because if I wanted you using a service on one of my boxes you'd know
about
> it already, and wouldn't need to port scan my servers.
> -Drew
>
> <snip>
>
>
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<P> <FONT SIZE=3D2>Still =
don't catch the meaning? You're saying that somehow i'm inept to system =
security because my workstation is running on Windows? for no other =
reason than I have to use exchange to communicate with the rest of my =
workplace as a policy? I guess you certainly proved your point. I =
should shutup because obviously (since I use a windows machine for my =
workstation) I cannot possible have any idea what I talking about. I =
sure am glad you're around to put me in my place there big =
fella.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks again!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Drew</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Chet Hosey [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:chosey@nidhog.com">mailto:chosey@nidhog.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:34 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named =
Keep crashing)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail =
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<B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F8E@mailman.thenap.com></FONT>=
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "Drew J. Weaver" =
<drew.weaver@thenap.com></FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I _thought_ something was amiss . . . anyone know of =
any UNIX-based MTAs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>which call themselves "Internet Mail Service =
(5.5.2650.21)"?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How about Windows-based ones? :)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________________________=
_________</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chet Hosey</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________________________=
_________</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Brian wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep =
crashing)<flame></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HTML sucks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </endflame></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hey, that's a great idea. But how are you =
going to tell them about that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> service? Security via obscurity? =
Yeah, that's like leaving your family</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> photo album open on your desk and expecting no =
one to look at them because</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you didn't tell the people that the pictures =
were on your desk.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> As far as I'm concerned, a machine on the =
_internet_ is fair game. By being</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> fair, I ask that someone can look. They =
can look, but by no means can they</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> try to breach security. Otherwise, why =
the hell are you on the internet?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have a funny feeling you use Windows, and as =
a 32bit Windows advocate I'm</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> beginning to wonder. I have another =
feeling that I now know why Windows</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> gets a bad rap. If you do use Windows, I =
suggest you go hunting through</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Microsoft's pages and ntsecurity.net.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> One of my friends once said that you should be =
sanctioned bandwidth by the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> amount of intelligence you have. In other =
words, stupid people sit on 56k</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> modems. I take it one step further, =
people who can't secure their machines</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> shouldn't be given static IP addresses. =
In other words, if you've got an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> NT4 machine and still sit on Service Pack 3, =
you should be banned to DHCP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with no lease for the rest of your life.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -Brian</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Drew J. Weaver</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: 'Robert Hough' ; =
FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named =
Keep crashing)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Because if I wanted you using a service on one =
of my boxes you'd know about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> it already, and wouldn't need to port scan my =
servers.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -Drew</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <snip></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
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