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Date:      Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:33 -0700
From:      "Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net>
To:        "Geoffrey C. Speicher" <geoff@speicher.org>
Cc:        Nuno Teixeira <nunotex@pt-quorum.com>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: enable/disable softupdates in rc init idea 
Message-ID:  <20020514194033.13FEA5D06@ptavv.es.net>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 2002 14:39:18 EDT." <Pine.BSF.4.05.10205141432090.80258-100000@speicher.org> 

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> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Geoffrey C. Speicher" <geoff@speicher.org>
> 
> On Tue, 14 May 2002, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> 
> > OK. I'm a bit confused. Why do you need to be doing this? Turn on
> > softupdates on the various file systems when you install the
> > system. If it's already built, live with a single drop to single-user
> > mode and turn softupdates on.
> 
> I think the point was that there is no access to the console to use
> single-user mode, because of colocation or some similar circumstance.
> 
> However, since remote rebooting is an option, Nuno's proposal is a viable
> option for colocated hosts to enable softupdates.  I can't think of
> anything better, except for maybe somehow supporting network consoles.

Ahh. I missed the point, I guess. I insist on console connections for
ALL co-lo stuff. A Lightwave terminal server with 16 ports and a POTS
line is adequate for all of our equipment at any co-lo. So I just
never consider that others would prioritize differently.

If all else failed, I think I'd rather build a new system disk and
send it to the co-lo than try this type of modification without a
console. Running a system with no console access is an invitation to
disaster whether it's a server, router, switch, or anything else.

FWIW, the Lightwave runs Linux from flash (no disk drive) and has
OpenSSH for in-band connections as well as an internal modem. A very
nice box. Of course, I'd like it better if it ran FreeBSD. :-)

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634


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