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Date:      Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:10 -0500
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1020038410.2c0d1a@mired.org>
To:        kudzu@tenebras.com
Cc:        Lucky Green <shamrock@cypherpunks.to>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory
Message-ID:  <15557.62858.194694.421246@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com>
References:  <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com>

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In <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com> typed:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Some mailer and some ssh need to be part of the base system. If they
> > aren't up to snuff for you and you aren't happy disabling things in
> > the base system and installing ports, then you need to find someone to
> > maintain a version you want as part of the base system, and then
> > convince everyone else that this is better. Tracking OpenSSL/OpenSSH
> > closer is probably an easy sell. The same is not true for sendmail.
> A mailer isn't needed for a dedicated router, or several other
> types of appliance.  Neither is ssh, if you connect exclusively
> via the serial console.  Of course I have ssh installed (I already
> confessed).  I just wish configuration were easier.

True, but a router etc. isn't a complete system.

> Why shouldn't everything be a package?  Well, not the kernel, loader,
> etc.  but nearly everything in userland.

You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make
everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people.

	<mike
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