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Date:      Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:42:54 +0200
From:      "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@sitetronics.com>
To:        "'Robert Watson'" <rwatson@freebsd.org>, "'twig les'" <twigles@yahoo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:    RE: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy
Message-ID:  <000501c362a4$a3986ce0$9f8d2ed5@internal>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1030814152044.83221T-100000@fledge.watson.org>

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> I certainly didn't mean to chastise :-).  I was just saying that
> certifications are odd things -- they have value in strange ways.  My =
main
> concern was that people seemed to think it had value from a practical
> security implementation perspective -- I'm not sure that it does.  =
It's
> value is entirely in market, PR, et al, and I agree that there is
> substantial value to be had there, if approached the right way.

Since I brought up the subject, I'd like to clarify that I wasn't =
promoting
the idea from a security perspective; I'm sorry that I posted it there
instead of here, in the first place. I concur that its value is in the
fields you specify and that it must be approached in said right way =
(which
is why I'm also hesitating with going ahead and donating for this =
cause). I
think the first step is figuring out how we're going to go at this; the =
next
step is making it publicly known and raking in the dough to make it =
happen
;)

> I agree with these conclusions entirely.  RedHat plays a valuable role =
in
> the Linux world in a variety of ways, and one of the most important is =
to
> provide the kind of support and legitimacy presence that many large
> companies are looking for.  Having one for the FreeBSD world would
> certainly provide a lot of swing for FreeBSD.  It would also change =
the
> dynamic of the FreeBSD Project substantially, I expect, but it would =
be
> hard to predict too much how.  I think that many people hoped that =
BSDi
> could play this role for FreeBSD, but obviously that didn't work out =
:-).

RedHat is pretty much Linux' college daddy at this point (discounting =
SuSE)
in that it spends tons of money with the R&D of Linux. There's obviously =
not
this financial "father" of FreeBSD at this point, but if we work hard
enough, I think we can get a bunch of kids to give us their "lunch =
money"
(so to speak).

=20
> So, if you know of a small company that wants to get bigger, and wants =
to
> give a spin at promoting FreeBSD in this manner (and making money off =
it
> in a sustainable way), I would encourage you to encourage them.  I'm =
sure
> there are a fair number of FreeBSD developers who would like to work =
for
> such a company, if they thought it was viable.

I would certainly love to do this. Let me know when this company starts =
(or
when you're starting one). I don't have the financial or business =
capacity
to start it.

--Devon



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