Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:07:45 +0800 From: Jiawei Ye <leafy7382@gmail.com> To: Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu> Cc: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile loader.rc Message-ID: <c21e92e2041128220774741d86@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <p06200705bdd057157961@128.113.24.47> References: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> <20041128.194040.04241039.imp@bsdimp.com> <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org> <20041128.200206.114580739.imp@bsdimp.com> <p06200705bdd057157961@128.113.24.47>
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:53:38 -0500, Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu> wrote:
> At 8:02 PM -0700 11/28/04, M. Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> >In message: <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org>
> > Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org> writes:
> >: M. Warner Losh wrote:
> >: > In message: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org>
> >: > Scott Long <scottl@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> >: > : For those who think that ease-of-use is important, please
> >: > : accept my apologies.
> >: >
> >: > One could easily have a 'safeboot' command, which would disable
> >: > all the things that the safe boot menu item used to do.
> >: >
> >: > Warner
> >:
> >: safeboot isn't the same as 'disable acpi'. It was actually quite
> >: useful to disable ACPI but still leave ATA-DMA and SMP enabled.
> >
> >Agreed. A few wrappers would go a long way is all I'm saying..
>
> A few wrappers would, in my opinion, be irrelevant. By the time
> someone tracks down what wrapper to type in, they might as well track
> down what full-blown commands to type in. The menu was an advantage
> when a user just installed some new kernel, and now their machine is
> having problems. That is not a good time to go reading web or man
> pages to try to figure out what magic words *might* be worth typing in.
> I admit that I would prefer a smaller (quicker-to-display) menu, but
> completely removing the menu seems (to me) to be a step backwards.
>
> However, I do notice that few people have objected to the menu being
> removed, so I guess I'll just leave the topic alone. But I will note
> that most users probably won't realize this change has even happened
> until their next clean-install of some future release...
>
> --
> Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu
> Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org
> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu
>
>
>
Actually I do feel sorry to see this commit message. It saved my ass a
few days ago with the acpi_link change with just one key pressed. It
seems strange to me that some people associate "being professional"
and "difficult to use". I vote for keeping the boot screen even if it
seems to be a little late.
Jiawei
--
"Without the userland, the kernel is useless."
--inspired by The Tao of Programming
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